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Can someone who has lived elsewhere in Germany advise if it is better or is it really just German culture to be rotten to the core?? If you can, please elaborate as I'm trying to figure out where I should go next...
Thanks a lot!! :)
Hi there. Yes, I lived in Leipzig for most of my time here and also spent some time in Dusseldorf and Wiesbaden. These places seem a bit nicer however I can't help but think it's a cultural thing. It's almost as if there is something missing in these people (not all, but I'd say a majority).
People like confrontation. They like to put their to put their foot down when they think you're messing with their precious sense of ordnung. Went to the park to enjoy a nice sunny day. There was a little lake surrounded by a wooden fence with a door. As the door was unlocked, I went to the other side of the fence. Suddenly, there was a reproachful voice asking "what the fence is for". Some random middle-aged guy thought it was a good idea speak a machtwort to let me know that what I was doing was unacceptable. Ignored him at first, but he insisted. I replied, in my most condescending voice, that there was an open door in the fence and turned my back on him. He left. A clear statement shuts them up.
In smaller cities Germans seem to be a little less blunt and outright rude but they're still completely German. And by that I mean the following: uncouth, standoffish, know-it-alls, obsessed with nudity, aloof, overcompensating for inferiority complexes. Berlin truly seems to be the worst bunch of them but they're all a far cry from anything decent. Ever notice how the only Germans you ever see conversing casually about anything are drunk? It's because they all have serious social disorders.
People in Munich is nicer. It is more difficult here to makes friends too in Munich. Things are more expensive. The city is boring. But people are more normal : hold jobs, responsible, they even feel a shame if they have to depends on government money (H4), people wants to be in relationship and have a family. It just the city is really really boring. Everyone go to Marienplatz/Stachus, people do like to showoffs and they dress nicer.
Germany has really proven me wrong. Scum really do congregate under one roof. I've been living here for long enough that it has had deep psychological impact(Anxiety/Depression). Finding a job is hard, even if you have the skills they won't hire you because you are not like them, Having a relationship is traumatic. German women monkey branch right in front of your eyes. There is no sense of SHAME in this country. no shame in treating others badly. No SHAME in hurting others feelings. Since I moved here. I've been homeless for a period of time, jobless, hurt by relationships I thought were serious but turned out to just be a typical German relationship(Self centered). And in alot of mental distress. I now suffer from severe social anxiety, depression and suicidal thoughts. Everytime I meet an AUSLAENDER they are kind understanding and have manners, unlike the Germans who have and EQ of -2. I've never felt more alone in the world. apart from not having family. I notice that Germans will never support you even as friends and especially when you are down. I think in Germany the saying is "Beat a dog when it's down". I've been taunted, ridiculed and the atmosphere in any shop, bank or otherwise is that they are doing you a favour by helping you. They are vile people. a Vile race. Every German I meet is elitist, they are entitled and expect you to thank them just for their existence. I hired a few Germans in my business before, never will I do that again. Lazy, incompitent and entitled.(Yes I went from homelessness to a business owner. By working schwarz. The government institutions made fun of me instead of helping me). My landlord is a passive aggressive pice of poop riddled with mental issues. For how many mentally ill there are it startles me that many do not understand self reflection. They are aggressive and hostile. Wherever they can drag you down they will.
Health insurance and social payments are through the roof. Taxes are crazy high. Yet I see no benefits to these taxes as countries with lower taxes also have nationalized healthcare(Italy). I have been living without health insurance coverage since I'm here. As a self employed I'd be on the street eating twigs if I had to. Which means I can get no help for my deteriorating mental health as I go into a suicidal state except for paying out of my pocket for which I don't have the money, as work is getting harder and harder to do I'm loosing clients. The system here squeezes you out. The difference with Germans is how they handle stress. They are a weak people. Stress pulls them down, in return they pull others down and it becomes a cycle which gets worse over time. I often get Germans telling me that it's human that cashiers and tellers can be angry and sad, but they always are. By making a customers day bad they arent going to make it any better for themselves knowing they went home and made 3 people sad and angry today. I've worked in service positions. and I have to say. Even though deemed fake here, smiling and making a customers day can boost your own happiness. They are just lazy and guize it under "efficiency" if anything they are efficient at being innefficient. Efficiency, is being on time, which they are never. Efficiency is creating customer happiness and getting their requests done within a dedicated time frame whilst offering the best of services. They are so lazy that they cant even be nice while being "efficient" because being nice takes energy. They are dumb. Somehow they think in the opposite way. I once had a business partner who was German. He said we should go squander money and have a party before opening our business. doesn't it work the other way round? How will we have initial capital if we go to "Ibiza" first? Shouldnt we have a party after we rach a milestone in our business? Another business partner was so entitled she expected me to take on her own tasks. Needless to say and German business partner I've had. They've been lazy. So lazy that they can't even file finanzamt papers in on time(2 month leeway). I've never seen more vile people that speed up when you cross the road. Never move or say excuseme when they bump into you. Servers who are lazy and garbage at their job. Supermarkets that don't take credit cards in tourist hotspost but do in the shitholes of berlin. Buses that don't stop. Bus drivers that shut doors on old people, hitting them. This place is hostile. Then they go on to call Africans thugs, Asians smelly and Arabs stealers. but they themselves went and enslaved Africa and stole their resources. All that they own is stolen out of coloniolization. Additionally they are ignorant. They don't know basic things about the world. Ettiquete ofcourse being a major player. But holy crap. Fornicate this place! I need to leave.
Everything you say is true. I am German myself but got lucky when I was younger to build friendships with people from all over the world. I helped me not to develop that nasty German mentality. Every time I arrive in Germany from another country I am appalled by their behaviour.
freaking Andy's Diner and Bar - who shouts at a customer and demands a bloody tip after you treat someone with absolute disgust the whole time you're serving them. Tips are never mandatory - they're a bloody perk of the job. No one should ever expect a tip and when they do actually get a bloody tip, they should act surprised and thank the person. If you're not given a bloody tip just get on with your life and stop being such an asshole.
Rant over...
Just back in Oz mate, and feel like I'm on another planet, people are courteous, except for a few w0gs, but otherwise all is good, "thank you" and "please" are very common here, and tips are never expected. Fk Berlin, don't think it will ever get better and if you have a relationship with a German, dump them right now and leave, trust me, it never gets better, only worse, and eventually to survive emotionally, you start becoming like them. Go now, just pack your bags and go.
I decided to return to Oz after nearly a year here. I understand what you guys are saying. The frustration that one endures trying to get set up and dealing with grumpy locals can seem pretty overwhelming. I had started to behave like them after a certain point and I knew then that enough was enough.
Foolishly spent Christmas and New Year here in Berlin with family. I can honestly say that I will never be back. I've spent the week holding the door for many a local (as is good manors) but no word of thanks or even eye contact. I can't tell you how many times I've had to say the sarcastic "YOU ARE WELCOME! ENJOY YOUR DAY"! For anyone akin to good customer service, and common decency, please don't go near Berlin. Locals are as scummy as the streets.
Actually Xmas Eve Night and Xmas Day in Berlin were my favourite days of the year, because you didn't see any Germans on the street. In all the years I lived there, not one German ever invited me for Xmas. I didn't want to go, and would have declined the offer with gratitude, but they never invited me. They are social retards.
The hardest thing in this city is deal with dysfunctional, weak minded people that have no empathy.
Being left to deal with people that have too fragile egos to apologise, admit mistakes and do everything possible to gaslight you and guilt trip you for their own rotten behaviour.
We should all feel pity rather than hate for these lost souls.
Must be really miserable to be a German or someone who absorbed this mentality.
'The hardest thing in this city is deal with dysfunctional, weak minded people that have no empathy.'
I'm hearing you loud and clear. This was the killer for me, along with incompetent bureaucrats. Of course these weren't the only reasons that I fled this pisspit.
I left Berlin 2 months ago and went traveling for an indefinite time, no intention/need to ever return to that city, still I am occasionally coming back to this website. What's wrong with me? Do I have some dorm of ptsd or why am I doing this to myself?
At OP,
I left in October as I was totally done with Germany and Germans, but especially . I will probably never go back and have no reason too but I often find myself on here as I want to help others who have endured the same BS that we did. To those who are struggling here, know that you are not alone.
I can't go for a walk in my neighborhood without being hassled by men or boys. Has happened numerous times now. I don't feel safe unless I have my boyfriend with me but when he's away I'm so nervous to do anything. Of course it's not every time I go out, but more often in Berlin than anywhere else in my 35 years of life. I ignore them and keep walking but it's happened enough that now I get nervous leaving my flat, in fact, I'm nervous even in my flat if I'm alone. This city has destroyed my confidence and instilled so much fear in to me. Sad.
I am not a concasian look woman.And poeple here include German and Turkish or all the men the are so cowards to attack a woman when she is alone ans not White Blond German looks.I am sorry to hear that...But change the area where you live would be helpful a bit.
I think that is the worst part, they are brainwashed to see compliments as harassment. I don't trust any women these days, they have all been surreptitiously corrupted by Feminism, to the point that their brains are like mush. I've never been happier since going MGTOW.
MGTOW is the best, never been happier, I love it. I'll leave Feminists with their dild0s, because all men are just rapists and women bashers, or at least that is what they try to brainwash us into believing. Unfortunately, un-brainwashed women are few and far between, and are snapped up very quickly. So good to be free from commitment and having to listen to whining oppression talk about how bad women have it, when in reality they are the most privileged class that ever lived in the whole of history, they're losers, because they can't even enjoy their advantages.
I'd have a committed relationship with Karen Straughan, Cassie Jaye, Janet Fiamengo or Lauren Southern any day, because they've taken the anti-feminist red pill and now appreciate all the good things in their lives, instead of moaning about imagined oppressions. As I said, enjoy your dild0s. I'm free from Feminist-Freaks and loving my life again.
MGTOW losers, you are EXACTLY like the feminists you hate, whiney beta males that pretend they need no woman because NO woman wants them LMFAO
Pathetic, none of the women you mention would even look at you, insecure fools
Those women are with ALPHAS, you are not even beta, Omega losers
Enjoy your inflatable dolls xD
Oh so this is about being "truly conservative" LOL
You are life losers, not fit to adapt to changing times without having your fragile egos smashed, this is pathetich.
The world is and will always be survival of the fittest, and now that someone that has nothing to offer like you has no longer the guarantee of a personal incubator and mummy what do you do? Whine, of course LMFAO
You are NOT men, don't insult the category including yourselves, you are disgraceful
I’m on the U8 right now. That’s all.
I went back home for the holidays and it hit me...People do not nornally approach trash cans with portable torches in a "scavenger hunt" quest, they just throw things away...can you imagine that?
I wonder if admin made it out of this hell hole alive.
yes I did, mostly... my daughter is still there but I take every opportunity to show her the rest of the world and how odd Berliners are in comparison.
Thanks and happy holidays
What is with people leaving their smelly pair of trainers ( often 2/3 pairs) outside their apartment?
Met someone fro Paris. Now, thats a real city.
Cannot wait for Berlin to turn into down town Mogadishu on NYE. Anyone got a spare RPG?
It’s one of the most hypocritical place you can find. You’re constantly told to do this and this particular Berliner way, and once you think you might have actually got the hang of it, you’re being told that you should’ve done it the complete other way. Berliners are such self-rightous, entitled, narrowed-minded creatures that no matter how many efforts you put into following their absurd set of non-rules, you’ll forever be wrong. Only them and fellow Germans know really what’s right. Other countries are inferior in any way possible and once you’re here, you should kiss their feet for letting you live in civilization. They’re pure cowards and wouldn’t catch one of them dead defending someone or something out of sole selflessness. Yet they’re thinking of themselves as such freethinkers and honest people. The “Berliner way” is just their excuse for being rude and ignorant to everyone that “doesn’t get it”. If you’re not following the Berliner Way (be a bully who has no care for any civil spirit), you’re an Opfer and you deserve all the hate you might be getting. Any sensibility, empathy or simple community spirit is highly frowned upon.
Absolutely spot on description. I left S*ithole in November. I will never, ever set foot in Berlin or Germany again for my entire life. I am only just beginning to feel like I'm alive again. After slightly over two years in that place I think the PTSD will last a lifetime.
fornicate man..Germans are so mentally ill...he he....just observ them while sitting in a cafe or bar. their whole acting and face moves and clothes.
First I thought its Berlin. Then after traveling other cities realized and understood while everyone in the world hates them and makes fun of them...
German are funny and Scarry at the same time.
Exactly like Adolf Hitler...
Ugly Nazi DNA filthy faces.
PFUI!!!!