1,2,3 weekend is here and the Arian Germans will be as classy as you can expect until Sunday night. Non German working expat do remember that they do that because they need to overcome the burden of having you in their homeland.
Exactly Im already dreading it.....last weeks I can hear drunks walking past my Airbnb window.......trying to look in on occasion......disturbing my peace and quiet here......bunch of drunks most of them.......which you can see just by looking at their faces. A person asked me to go to the Frannz club in Prenz-berg where Im staying .....but I going to miss it as its just looks like total shit......I went out for drinks for the first week of my working trip here but now I just feel like staying in......cant be bothered with drinking and dealing with some drunk obnoxious people who some of which are high as a kite......acting like a bunch of morons......I cannot stand drunk dickheads. Another thing is I noticed is that people are here say that the English where Im from are flakey - but since Ive been here I noticed not only the Germans but foreigners trying to fit in /hipsters all flakey and fake as fuck.....they never keep their word and all just pretenders.....What a bunch of losers.
I am a woman for long time kein Lust go out.For me what you explained and experience + annoying Arabs(dont think even local Turkish)Ausländer's harrasment including physical and verbal.And all my nice dresses are in my wardrobe for very very long time because whenever I dress up people look like me as a prostitute is walking on the street.Comeon.Wearing nice drrss and light make up does not mean that I want attention from a man and get a money after offerijg sex.I don't have any problem people wear ugly clothes and no grooming(as lojg as thry take a shower on time)but why judge me when I dress up nicely???
Yeah thats prety messed up......way too many perverts here.. Dont mind me asking where are you from originally? People here generally strike me as quite cheap and jaded.....men and women.....and frankly start to disgust me as Im not a purist but compared to them I am ....and I really like to be clean, be healthy, exercise and try and maintain positive mental healthy through meditation; healthy eating etc etc.......and by no means am I a boring type. Im a very social person with the right crowd or person....and positive enviroment.....but is it me or does the general mood here in Berlin strike you are depressing and somewhat suppressive......back in the Uk I used to go for runs and cycling alot but here its dosnt appeal to me so much as everywhere seems just dirty/filthy and looks horrible.......and un-inviting......I mean also the nature - at least in winter is totally gone......Even the natural beauty in and around London has something special about it also clean and hold many nice parks and areas to cycle....and I dont mean central but surburbia - in my opinion the real London....and people are fair more friendly. In my mind I used to put down the UK big time......and of course its not perfect.....but I sure will appreciate it much more once I go back after being here on and off for so long.
Jesus one of the scariest things I've ever heard is a group of drunk Germans walking through a quiet street yelling their weird German chants. Makes me feel like I'm going to be thrown into the next train to Poland (not even joking).
When somebody blames you, they don't give you a chance to apologize. That's Why you say I am so sorry. I had a woman telling me to at least (at least! ... the humor they don't have, they got it all covered) put out my cigarette.
What I mean is, to say something that expresses how you feel. It could be however you feel. Angry, hurt, light. All with this one phrase "possible" because it expresses the thing sb not even give you room to apologize, even if you didn't want to. It's not a fight.
I mean this pure careless blameing. And the words are the feel, I wrote that complicated. Stuff can be so confusing here. They don't make any fuckking sense. What I tried to get at was that you need to put the feel out there to even happen and for it to go the right way. But of course it's from seeing it right when sometimes you gotto feel first to then see. And we do want to hold back words put in mouth and the feelings from there is bc we hate that, it opens one up to hurt and being dumbed down, a toxic combination.
I'm sorry I messed that up, I didn't mean to say all these terms. I just meant to say that the way you feel can be expressed with something very simple. Lets say somebody asks you again and you feel they do that for some kinda dominant reason.The anger you feel you can express with saying You are not sure?!
I see, I focussed too much on this low stuff by writing it overly important which is though actually just an illusion. Feelings are very distant from all this. Trying to figure out is not really it. It's a different thing, it's not expressive or creative. You don't actually want to do that.
As if you people have any clue how to express yourselves. All what sounds off is whatever anyway. But I have to admit, it confuses me too. But you see I bring up sth of life and there is always sth behind it but you don't contribute to it or let it breathe. Instead you say it was ridiculous. That's ridiculous. And hilarious is a form of relief before the serious feelings cud happen. Ah you just stomped on this perl of this toxic combination. But again, I apologize for not writing in straightforward ways, so it's surely normal it's also hilarious. And I didn't mean that with what I just wrote before about hilarity. I swear you have no clue, it's ok
I have been living in Germany for some time, lets say couple of years.
I do never understand two things which I encounter almost everyday here. Integration of foreigners and German language. What does Integration mean ? When a person is integrated for Germans ? I am here to work. I do work hard and deliver the requested outcome at work , I do pay my taxes, I do obey the laws, I do not commit a crime, I respect the people in society. So, am I integrated ? What does this whole integration hype mean ?
Secondly, the German language. I do have zero understanding of '' you have to speak German '' perception from the moment you arrive in Germany. I also think that all Germans assume that when a foreign person starts to live in their country, It will last forever. They don't understand the concept of being expat or student. Also, how can I learn or improve the language skills when German people have no intention to interact with foreigners ? It is also annoying that, German people are so narrow minded. When you know them from work, school, dance course etc for them you always belong to that social circle and they have no intention to befriend with you.
When you search for the jobs, there is always the same question '' can you speak German ? '' even you apply for global, international company. That's why I do speak English at work. It is my career decision to work in global companies and I would not want to work at your local bla bla bla GmbH.
It is impossible to approach people here. When you are at club, bar and speak in English to them, they go away. When you match on Tinder and speak in English conversation does not proceed more than couple sentences and always do you speak German question comes.
I do not know, what I am doing in this country. I just have to earn money and leave this country before I lose my sanity.
I'm not really sure what is meant by 'integrated' here. One could speak perfect German, could speak multiple languages and hold 2 degrees but it wouldn't necessarily make us good enough in their eyes.
Re language. I tried everything. The Germans that I encountered would often complain that foreigners here don't speak it often enough or we'll enough. Yet they showed little interest in helping myself or any other foreigner in our efforts to learn.
exactly. Even when you speak the language they still treat you differently as soon as they hear your accent. Id say integrating with pure German groups is almost impossible as a foreigner no matter what your skin colour. They have a serious superiority complex and we should just leave them to it.
" Even when you speak the language they still treat you differently as soon as they hear your accent. Id say integrating with pure German groups is almost impossible as a foreigner no matter what your skin colour"
Can confirm. I speak German on a very high level (pretty much C2) and I've had this happen to me, even though I don't have a strong accent.
I wish relocation companies and other similar services would include your URL so that people who are planning to relocate to Berlin would have all the data :)
Reached FRA, -3 lol. Was a much needed break where you could see sun almost everyday, and really to get a change and a different perspective than the daily life . What's the program? Is Trudeau the saviour?
What the hell is with all the public urination in Berlin?
Just went out of my office in Mitte and right across the street at a VERY busy intersection some dumb German had his penis out and was just pissing right in the open with dozens of people walking around him? How did this become so common here and why are German men so afraid to use a public bathroom?
My very first memory of going out in Berlin was exiting the ubahn at Rosa Luxembourg Platz (I think) and seeing a group of like 5 guys standing in a circle around a little tree growing out of the sidewalk and pissing. I should've went home immediately and booked my flight straight back home.
According to Ai Weiwei "I don’t want him to live in harsh conditions. I don’t think Germany provides a good environment for foreigners.” He mentions that Lao was recently threatened by a shop owner there."
www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2020/jan/21/ai-weiwei-on-his-new-life-in-britain-germany-virtual-reality-film
Lol. not even Ai Weiwei could hack it in Berlin. God damn!
Ok Ausländers, if this dude can't manage it, neither can you.
'I'm not a fan of Ai Weiwei at all but this observation is impressive, especially considering he only lived here for a short period of time.'
I'm the same. I often disagree with Weiwei but he is absolutely right about Germany. I'm also sorry to learn that his son was threatened, but not surprised.
OMG I feel the same about learning German. In English, people are less rude here because it takes too much effort to be an butt in a foreign language. Also the reason I don't verbally abuse people here on a daily basis.
Anyway, if Germans love the EU so much then they need to accept people not learning German. Isn't that the whole point of the free movement of people?
www.reddit.com/r/berlin/comments/ersj1y/question_in_fb_group_those_of_you_who_chose_to/
So many German apologists. What a load of freaking retards in this city.
People claiming they've never had problems at the Burgeramt here :D having to wait 3 months for an appointment or having to show up at 5am in hopes they might have the mercy to service you obviously both aren't problems. This city makes you accept failure.
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So glad I'm out of Berlin, it took about three weeks to completely get over the shock of the years wasted there, but now I'm back on track to positivity and optimism again.
Yeah r/Berlin and r/Germany are full of liberals, r/Europe is full of conservative nationalists (though it's more palatable since they're under the guise of EU multiculturalism). Even the Germans on r/Europe are more right wing. But it doesn't matter, reddit was caught editing people's posts and has started collapsing upcoted comments to hide popular information - just like twitter has been doing now for 3 years. It's all controlled media.
'But it doesn't matter, reddit was caught editing people's posts and has started collapsing upcoted comments to hide popular information - just like twitter has been doing now for 3 years. It's all controlled media.'
I got this impression too. It seems that an honest discussion of Berlin/Germany (or any other topic really) is not allowed on those sites.
Well I mean Spez, the owner of reddit, was open about some of his edits to people's posts. No telling how much secret editing and suppression is going on. Plus all the organized pro-antifa stuff on there. Try this out for proof: go to r/berlin and post anything negative about antifa or about nogo areas in Berlin. You'll almost instantly get more downvotes than people online on r/Berlin. A day later look at your user profile admin section on traffic to your profile. There will literally be hundreds more visits as a result of the post than you regularly get. There are a lot of weird censorship groups in Germany that orchestrate this kind of stuff.
Whats amazing is how the posts on the site keep on growing every day. Says a lot about Berlin.
The site definitely helped me see through a lot of the poop here since most people you'll meet just go on endlessly about how great this place is. And the Germans freak out at any criticism of Germany (just today I overheard a conversation about the Ai Weiwei thing and how nice they think the taxi drivers here are laughing crying emoji) or just deny it. I have had Germans tell me that they've never seen anyone in Berlin pissing in public, that there are almost no homeless people and that the city is clean.
Anyway, at times when I thought I was going crazy this place has helped me regain balance and to realize that I cannot live here any longer. I tried to use reddit for this but they pretty much banned me immediately from r/berlin.
Is Leipzig any better than Berlin...?
Thanks for the responses guy much appreciate that....Im getting the feeling that all places in Germany are similar in terms of rude people for the exception of a few....Is Munich or Bavaria or any other place in Germany are better? or is it much of the same throughout the country? I did notice when I was 19 in southern Germany even though I had some good friends....the general feeling from people towards foreigners was distain and suspicion.....and quite a strange approach to us English and Irish people....at best....It was quite un-nerving at time.......Even the other day I walked into a restaurant and usually speak German (this is in Berlin) but this time I just said in English to the waiter I know - "Hi How are you?" I got funny looks from other people on another table.....2 guys seemed to be young German Gay guys and I could see their faces and one in particular had a look of disgust and abruptly left the establishment.....I though to myself - what a little shit.
To the OP : There is no better place in Germany in terms of the things you already mentioned. Well to be fair, NRW cities dortmund, düsseldorf, köln are a bit better and liveable. but this is all. you can not find %100 charmness, friendly people in germany regardless location
Of course the more west you get the better it gets. But what is the definition of better. You are still in the county of mentally ill people. Munich is a nice city. Specially on Sommer. But the Bavarian people have a big sexual toy in their asses. The Berliner is more open minded. But you won't see dirty poop in Munich like in Berlin. But you have to know finding an apartment in Munich is hell. It's pure HELL. If you are Foreigner than it's even hellier:-).
Get your butt out of this country. That's what we all are going to do.
But if you have To stay and you have a good job just I would say go to hamburg. It's a pretty city with nice bars and people. Still Germans and mentally ill but waaaaaaas better than Berlin .
I have never ever had any problem to communicate with people. I have lived in Austria, UK and Holland before moving to Germany. I made so many friends most of them were temporary, some of them were permanent friends who I still keep in touch with. Anyways, my point is, I have never ever experienced feeling alone.
However, everything became upside down when I moved to Germany for post graduates studies. Yes, I was deceived by free education and Germany needs skilled labour force trap. This year is my 5th year in this country, I have finished my studies, I have a job which pays okay but I feel extremely alone, purposeless, hopeless, depressive, no friends etc. You know these feelings... All of these feelings are related with this country. Too many things are wrong for a normal, decent human being here. I am feeling like I am stuck in this country.
I have to keep working couple more years to raise the funds I need to support my move to another country. I hope, I will be achieving my target.
Living in Germany as foreigner like you are already experiencing the hell without even dying physically but this country makes your soul fade first then death.
What you need to do to be accepted, do not show any form of spontaneity, become an irresponsible alcoholic or/and drug user, chain smoke, listen to monotonous techno crap for three days straight, eat doners for breakfast lunch and dinner, act as though you know everything about everything and be as rude as you think you can get away with. Never be generous with money, time or spirit, never even think about reciprocity and ever, under any circumstances say something optimistic or outside of the politically correct boxes.
Then and only then will you be accepted and maybe even feted.
Here's some better advice, run Forrest, run.
The woman I was madly in love with took a short trip to Berlin last year. When she came back she was already in a relationship with some Kraut. She now lives there and is pregnant with his child
In kreuzberg, ubanhof, guy with needle in arm, people around drinking beer.
Lived in new york city for 8 years. Never seen picture like that above.
Germany is a pure nightmare
Welcome to our nightmare, and it will only get worse, not better because of lefty political correctness not allowing people to call a spade a spade. If I was a dictator, the first to be put to real work would be the AntFa fascists, feminists and then greenies. That would get Berlin back on track again.