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what about hamburg? I'm thinking of leaving berlin for hamburg, I'm not sure if I will encounter the same disconnection with germans in a different landscape.
Hamburg is full of the same no-culture, downtrodden plebs that make Berlin miserable. Complete with excesses in public consumption on the Raperbahn. There's just a slightly larger number number of people who are financially well off (but just as morally bankrupt). Oh and the rents are higher.
completely wrong post before. I left berlin for..hamburg. Entire e new world and society. Sure the reperbhan is messy and trashy but is there and stays there. City is fat butt rich, with lots of companies, international, where everybody works for a price. In berlin i was desperate to find a paid job, in hamburg i had to choose on which company. hamburg is expansive, so the lifestyle here. no lazy butt turists. no artists shit. If only i would have made this choice earlier.
May want to consider Munich as well. One of the strongest economies in Germany and has a much different vibe, though more conservative. The housing situation there may be a bit of an issue though since it's a popular city that was already at capacity, unlike Berlin, which was well below capacity before interest in it started to climb 20 years ago to today.
My advice, is to learn German fluently or go somewhere that speaks the languages you are fluent in. Hamburg is much better, also Koln, and the degenerate loser stay in one area, they don't pollute the whole city. More down to earth and real. If your gay/lesbian/trans/ man-hating Feminist, "refugee", Turkish, crappy-artist or a tourist, maybe all of the above :o))) this place is a paradise for getting lost into your own insulated world. Let them have it.
When you say to yourself “you want leave berlin”, it is time then to leave. Do not wait years to repeat yourself the same thing over and over again. I have done this mistake for years, being chained to the city this way. My job situation was a disaster, I was feeling the city like a literary jail. You never have the chance or the push to leave it cause you have the (insane) feeling that Berlin feeds you eith everything you need, fun, party, social life, friends, “freedom”. AH..yes ..Social life if what ,often, keep you stuck in there, you keep on saying yourself “I have so many friends” and this justifies all the rest downgrading of your miserable life in Neukoln.
“Freedom” is the second very well >>marketed>> word by blogs, facebook, media. “in berlin you are free to be what you want to be”. On the surface yes, you can wear clown pants and go out with the pigiama. But there is a misinterpretation on what freedom really is. It is being able to redirect your life as you want, have the lifestyle you want, live where you want, buy an house, have a car, and go on holiday when you want.
When you are paid 1300 euros by a pooping startup or are a so called “artist” with social help or harz4 ; what type of freedom you experience with 800 euros a month? What happens then? You keep on going with the “freedom” . I know people in their 50s, enjoying the poverty, the loneliness and live in a shared flat. It is all so perverse, it brainwashes you in a way. I was proceeding straight on this way as well, luckily for a chance I made it out, it took a few days to look back and being so happy of having left all this behind.
If you are new-comer, listen to this person, they know what they're talking about. But, unfortunately, you probably won't come to BerlinHater until you have been here a few years and are desperate for some kind of clarity to what is going on with your mind.
Wish I could upvote this several times. Especially the last paragraph. It's so true. What freedom is it? Being stuck in this shithole, surrounded by miserable faces, mentally deranged people who think they're alone in the world, and hipster scum. Oh great, there are SO MANY possibilities here - yeah. Good luck making friends there or even having a good time. The atmosphere everywhere, even when people are having a good time, is always weirdly hostile. I've been to concerts, parks and busy streets in summer and just never enjoyed it. Places like Alexanderplatz I avoid because you can't sit there for 5 minutes without idiots, bums, assholes and scum approaching you, begging for something or just talking poop to you. When you go to a bakery or want to buy strawberries on one of those strawberry-shaped booths, there's ALWAYS a middle-aged, worn-out and miserable looking woman in there with >:C face, being rude and unfriendly, not saying hello and/or bye, and ready to spit some rude bs into your face at every opportunity. fornicate Berliner Schnauze. It's rude and it sucks to be proud of this bs.
And the worst is that it changes you, too. Maybe I am also already one of those miserable looking and unfriendly assholes because it gets so tiring to only get approached with poop that it's easier to be rude, and to signal to everybody that they shouldn't dare to approach you, especially when you use public transportation (which is too expensive if you ask me, especially for the pooping service they offer, always crowded, never on time, filled with smelly, annoying bums, retards and beggars)
It's a cesspool and the scum celebrates itself here. Can't wait to leave!
They should mention in travel books/blogs, that Berlin (and other European cities), are filled with MENA and migrant men, who when on their best behaviour, are staring and displaying hostile body language, and at their worst, are committing crimes, stealing, being a public menace, sexually harassing women... at their very worst, committing terrorist attacks and raping women and children. Apparently this has become a normal way of life for Western Europe, but it's not normal for many others. I think for instance, Asian tourists should know that this is the reality all around the popular tourist areas, metro, city centres... it's only a matter of time before mass immigration turns Berlin (and many other parts of Europe) third world, and this will drive away tourism as well as educated immigrants with skills. I think it's only fair to say... "for tourist activities, we have the wall, brandenburg gate, x y and z, but pretend you haven't been asked for money by beggars 20 times in one day, pretend all of these angry looking MENA men are normal people and in fact are outstanding members of society, and you're being a racist for even noticing that they are unfriendly looking".. Berlin is a craphole even without it's issues with mass immigration, but this just makes the place completely unworthy of visiting. Do yourself a favor and go somewhere nice instead. Maybe somewhere with sun and without old German people staring, angry looking MENA men staring, without unbearable hipsters, someplace you won't be harassed by beggars over a dozen times a day, etc.
your post is so in point. It is one of the biggest reasons why I want to leave EU especially Berlin. I am not even racist. These types of men are very aggressive and will probably even become terrorists when desperate. As a female, I get harassed often by these type of men. They have absolutely no respect for women which makes them disgusting pigs.
I will also add that the far left and femanists have completely lost their minds when it comes to refugees.
This far left female like many other social justice warriors in Berlin did not report rape from refugees because she wants to protect them from nazis.
youtu.be/CN4h4O1PVtY
The far right's obsession with the most fringe of the left does you no favors except for people already in your camp who think they're in a war. As soon as you start blabbing about "leftists", "SJWs", "antifa", etc. regular people dismiss you as a far right nut. Try dropping that odd obsession and people may listen to you and you can have a normal discussion.
The far left's obsession with flooding Europe with 3rd world migrants does you no favors either. In fact, you are the biggest supporter of the far right, without realising that you are. At this point, people go into voting booths seriously considering voting for right parties, BECAUSE OF THE LEFT. Because they llost trust in the left, the left has f-ed up so many times, and is so blind to what people really care about. People DON'T care about 53 genders, SJWs etc, they care about curbing/stopping mass immigration, stopping terrorist attacks, improving the economy and so on. Until the left gets it's head out of it's butt the far right will continue to grow.
Personally, I don't have any problems with migrants. The problem is: There. Are. Just. Too. Many.
And... what's the problem with watching Milo's speeches, would you rather listen to Merkel or guilt-ridden, left-wing Germans trying to show the world how good they are by "welcoming" "refugees". The only reason they want "refugees"is because they have zero population growth, because no one can stand to be with the Feminist ball-breaking women here.
it i s not far right to mention all the far left wing culture in Berlin , THAT is what makes Berlin suck so much..the root cause of the filth and rot...the refugees are like icing on a crap cake
plus if Germany needs people for jobs and growth there are millions of jobless Americans willing and ready to work cheap who will respect women , drink beer and not blow themselves up
Thanks to this site.You continue to heal me in times of doubt.I am not healed yet but the comments here keep me on the right path.Best wishes.
My dear Berlin hating friends - for a long time we've had people asking for private messages and the ability to add photos - and finally the day has come!
Rejoice in the ability to sign up, and add photos of this dismal place!!
Also, you'll note we added cityhater.com - please, do us a favor, go there and hate on all those other terrible cities (did I hear someone say Paris?) - I feel a bit like I wasted the last week making it for nothing!
@jimm
Thanks@jimm, I've been hating with you for years now! Could you arrange an official hate date maybe? I wanna meet all you Hater people for real - making sure I didn't just invent you, when I needed solace on a particularly poop Berlin day. We could meet at Görlitzer Park or somewhere even shittier?
That's why we moved it from the old .de domain to the .com - just in case it makes a difference!
To anyone who hates, loathes and despises Mark Schmuckerberg, in other words, anyone with at least half a brain, and you don't want to look at something on FaceBook because it makes you feel kind of creepy doing so, here is a non-FaceBook link to a great video that someone posted below, that describes Berliners to a T. Funny, but scary, because it's so real.
www.youtube.com/watch
Said the Berlin pseudo-anarchist-left-wing brainwashed Soros stooge.
Nothing tinfoil hat about it at all, this is today's "normal" Politically-Correct world we live in.
Berlin is full of left-wing fascists who protest against fascism, sexist Feminists who protest against sexism a and they are all blinded to their own hypocrisy.
You can tell from the writing style, insane focus on leftists, and same buzz words used that you're the same person who keeps repeatedly upvoting their own posts (see other posts that sound just like the above with a ton of upvotes). You need to get off the Internet and see a psychologist. Most people don't live their lives obsessed with fringe politics, even the fringe people you hate on lead mundane lives 99% of the time until there's a protest. You don't see them all over random Internet discussion forums spouting their poop like the disturbed nuts on the far right.
Lunatic Left, even lunatic asylums would accept them, that's why Berlin is full of lefty nut jobs, living in their smelly rabbit warrens, smoking their weed they buy from the MENA "refugees" they "support". The only reason they "welcome" refugees is to get cheap dope, from any street corner in Friedrichshain and Kreuzberg, They plaster their propaganda in everyone's face all over shiitbag areas of Berlin and then moan whenever someone who doesn't believe their BS has a say on a forum. These people have huge reality check coming their way, and it's just around the corner.
All the guys here, hate Berlin, leaving Berlin, or have already left the city. Where are you now or where you wanna be? Whare are these best places (beside that almost everywhere it is better than Berlin).
Hmm, let me think, maybe a place where 90% of the people are not rude morons, untalented hipsters, not pseudo-anarchists, not misandrist Feminists, a place where homosexuality is not the norm a place where commitment and responsibility are respected, where people honour their words, where pissing in the street and spitting every 10 meters is not the norm, a place where people have initiate to make their lives better, a place where people don't have the leftover of DDR mentality, a place where it's not normal to have "open" relationships, where people are courteous and can think for themselves, where they'll cross a pedestrian crossing when there are no cars in sight of 500 meters either side, where you won't get harassed by beggars every 15 minutes, where people don't search out deviate clubs for their 15 minutes of shame, where all your "friends" will not have left every two-three years, because they can't stand it there anymore, a place where people don't just live day to day, bordering on poverty all the time, forced to eat the ubiquitous don(t)er and curry worst, where people don't make a big show of helping so-called refugees to show the wolrd that they are no longer Nazis, with police guards outside every Jewish establishment, that must cost millions of dollars every year in a city that is poor but "sexy", hey, everyone else forgives you, just don't do it again OK, etc etc etc etc.
On the good side, bicycle paths.
@Obviously Conservative Anon
"where homosexuality is not the norm"
"where people don't search out deviate clubs for their 15 minutes of shame"
" place where it's not normal to have "open" relationships"
Why does it matter what other people do in their personal lives? I understood everything you wrote except this stuff.
-More homosexuals --> higher rate of STD's in the population
-more drug addicts --> higher rate of crime
-More open relationships --> more children born out of wedlock, more single mothers who raise criminals ---> more drug addicts ---> more crime.
See, it's all connected.
I am leaving in two days, and up until I found this website, I was somehow sad to leave, and disappointed that I couldnt feel happy here... as many people, I blamed it all on myself. Now I am happy and excited to leave this place. NIE.WIEDER.
If you really feel like killing yourself, remember that it really is this city and not you. Don't think you've post the plot or that you are useless worthless piece of shite, that's how everyone feels here. So just keep visiting BelrinHater.de and that will help you keep it in perspective, then you will be able to have the brightness of optimism for the future.
Get onto CouchSurfing, they have ex-pat n=meet up nights, that will also help you and whatever you do, don't get lured into the sex, drugs, alcohol and rock and roll (mindless techno in this case). They will try to drag you down to their level, because they hate seeing people who are happy, but BerlinHater.de will keep you strong, because you won't feel so alone. BerlinHater really helped me, because I thought I was the problem for quite sometime and could never find where the problem with me was.
When first came to Berlin, I was happy, optimistic and positive and didn't notice it incrementally slipping away,
I love this site, it's my lifeline to reality :o)) Stick here for the time of your sentence and you'll be OK.
Seeing nice, once friendly people become bitter and resentful after spending some years here. That really breakes my heart.
Indeed. Once some sociologists made a research about people and happiness and apparently what makes people happy is healthy human connection, love, closeness. Alcohol, drug use, casual sex and all the short temp distractions/getaways make you more grey and empty. It seems Berlin is full of "free spirits", empty, disposable people... It gets to you, as someone said before here, you start thinking "What is wrong with me?" Feeling you are not cool enough if you don't waste yourself days after days in clubs and don't blow a carrot in the toilet when your mind is intoxicated and your hormones wild... If you are nice in Berlin after a while you either become trash yourself or just resentful and bitter... Seems there is no half way.
this what happened to me. my worst features blossomed in Berlin especially anxiousness, hatefullness and bitterness. You feel empty and numb because you start accepting the trashy life here as normal. You feel enraged when someone is being a penis to you.
gmx.de, which is probably the most used free e-mail provider in Germany, has great homepage articles today to delve into the German psyche.
1. Don't pour unused water from your electric kettle down the sink! Ways you can make use of that remaining water.
2. Trump signs weapons deal with Saudi Arabia! Trump to export weapons and create American jobs (side: obviously it's only ok when Germany is doing it)
3. Too nice for your job? Why being kind at work is hindering your success
This country is cancerous.
As long as the USA exists and keeps puppet governments in the Middle East, we will not be ruled by Muslims telling our womenfolk what to wear, or cutting off their clitorises. No matter what you think of the USA, and most of it I probably agree with you, look at the alternative, which one are you going to choose?
I can't judge this, because I'm gay (and RIGHT-liberal (Gary Johnson)) and therefore I can't reproduce myself.
So we have Reason No. x to hate Germany: No proper marriage for same-sex pairs.
Meeting normal social needs when shoppng is not possible when you get asked from above for a payback card. We all have the need to be noticed as a human. This is machine shit. People do not realize their social responsibility. It's like playing football in a really poop team. Also, people constantly create unfavourable situations unconsciously. freaking pens not work and such poop and it leads to them being in a position to say something abusive. I mean at least that's how it seems cause after all they don't know one. Just yesterday i checked my phone and i rarely use it in public cause i don't like this and a group of teenagers walks by noting me and the other 2 waiting for the bus looking at our phones and saying with a doublebind: Horrible, everybody looking at their phones. It's good weather guys...but not in a direct normal way but with this freaking doublebind of critical, belitteling. And i sit there thinking..well, what do you know girl...
Berlin is full of idiots. We just accept their retardation and don't judge them. Autism affects at least 80% of German males. And id they don't have that, they have lead or mercury poisoning. No other excuse for this capital od degeneracy and aggression.
What the hell is with old people here and staring? Just walking through any shopping center I cannot help but notice the miserable scowls of basically every woman over the age of 45. What has caused them such perpetual unhappiness?
no, being UNMARRIED with NO KIDS and over 45 is the cause of their misery, a husband and kids would make an older woman proud and RESPECTED among the public..German woman over 45 only option...yes 3rd world male 'refugees' who marry them for papers, notice all the over 45'ers volunteering for refugee help centers???
When I was still in Berlin, I saw plenty for old women (old as in, above 40) with their male refugees. It was a funny thing to see. Those women disregarded a lot of men while they were still young. Now their only option are poor, unskilled 3rd worlders lol
To be fair, Berlin men are not exactly catches. They're all plagued with emotional/developmental problems, drug and/or alcohol addiction, early hair loss, poor hygiene, chronic unemployment, generally being cheapskates and so on. I don't blame any German women that prefer non-Germans.
These dating issues are pretty similar in most big cities. Women think they want to commit but can't because they constantly think there must be some better catch they're missing. Some men are looking for something steady so they can have sex more regularly and hopefully have some emotional support rather than having to constantly hunt for casual sex with people who don't care at all about them only to fail 70% of the time. But the men who have zero interest in committing also tend to be the most appealing to women, so they focus their attention mostly on them perpetually hoping they can get one to commit, but they don't.
The way Berliners live like is robotic. This irresistibly reminded me of a German band called Kraftwerk, which went famous with technical songs. Ironically, isn't it?