Skimming through job ads. Even entry level jobs in marketing companies require a degree, 2-3 years of specialized experience in something custom-tailored to the company's needs and what not. How does anyone find a job here? Smh.
LOL Germans are literally too stupid to understand what an entry level job is. Feel free to use the FILTER on linkedin for ENTRY LEVEL positions and you are greeted by a deluge of companies that want you to have 3 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. It is literally impossible to get a job here without doing an internship, student job or traineeship in THE EXACT SAME POSITION because that way they can pay you MINIMUM WAGE for 6-18 months while they "train" you. This country is for retarded, spoiled kids who are supported by their parents or, more commonly, by the taxpayer. It is indirect subsidization of the economy and should be rules illegal by the WTO just like Airbus subsidies. Or maybe they just want to infantilize and compartmenralize everyone so when the 4th Reich arrives people will be scared to say anything because they can't see it coming or because they are worried they aren't competent enough. This country is retarded to the core.
Where would you guys move to to say saionara to Bumlin?
I've been visiting Poland a lot and love that tehre is no multi-kulti here, the Polish people are very chilled and relaxed, the cities are not too big and they are very friendly, but don't go to Warsaw. Try Poznan first, very close to Berlin. For work, I'd go to Western Germany, Denmark, Switzrlaan or Holland.
Switzerland provides much more than Germany in terms of financial s, but social life is the same, boring as hell. I don't think more money will take away the pain of living together with Germans.
Danish are very cold, racist and boring as well. It doesn't worth the cost of moving unless the job offer is great.
How so? They continue to be one of the only EU countries that is consistently growing and were smart enough not to adopt the euro which protected them a lot during the financial crisis a decade ago. Hard to blame them or any of the other eastern countries for electing populist leaders given the way the EU is conducting itself.
Even former Polish presidents warned against the conservative nationalist party and their anti-democratic agenda. They'd rather fight a tiny minority of homosexuals in the name of protecting marriage and family than address pressing issues such as the destitute health care system. Not to mention the abandoning of secularity in favor of religious orthodoxy, something that just doesn't sit well with a modern democracy.
The people in Poland are much more balanced than the far left ideologues infiltrating Berlin society. My guess is, 95% of Germans don't want different cultures imported, but are too scared to say so, in case they get mis-branded as racists by the lefty, emotional-blackmailing sheep.
I've never experienced a culture I didn't like or at least appreciate and find interesting, when I'm in the country of origin of that culture, what I can't stand is a mishmash-melange of non-compatible cultures. Diversity is not strength.
Poland is great for a holiday and the people are nice apart from some low-key racism coming mostly from elderly people. They focus on family and social relations more than careers, which is refreshing too. Still, I wouldn't want to live there, I guess. If you don't share the same values of marriage and family, you will be the odd one out. That's at least what Polish people in Germany say.
Was this one of you guys?
www.reddit.com/r/berlin/comments/dg9b58/i_hate_berlin_im_homesick_and_tired_i_wish_i_dont/
I doubt it. I read the post an responses.... that person is still not able to understand that the city is messed up....also they are bing fed with false information on the posts there that Berlin is ok... people on this site already understood that its Berlin and its people that is the problem.
He has achieved enlightenment. So happy for this guy.
"edit: Thank you all, I didn't expect many responses. I typed this rant during a drunk and lonely 4am morning after a bad day at work.
I decided to leave Berlin, I miss my friends and family and I think this is a junction of my life.
I wish everyone who read this, and everyone who lives in Berlin, a very nice and happy life."
Berlin is a filthy dump full of people who are too quick, too sheltered or too stupid that they continue to defend the cities obvious failings. Every trip outside feels like I am wading through a sea of cigarette butts and trash. The city constantly stinks like rubbish tips filled with the bodies of dead, crack addicted hobos. All the women here seem to have massive daddy issues or issues with their parents. Everything is subject to a contract that requires 3 months notice to end, Anmeldung is pointless poop to keep lazy people employed. Same with Abmeldung.
But mostly, it's just the piss poor attitude of the people who live here. The supposed high ideals of the environmentalists who will protest while smoking a cigarette and flicking the butt to the ground the moment they are finish. Burn it down and start again!
I keep getting recruiters sending me job offers in Berlin for jobs I DID NOT APPLY FOR! It appears this site is working! YAY - that OR many expats in Berlin are seeing the light and packing their bags and leaving. I - for one - wont be returning to germany or Berlin or falling for their tricks. These companies should be sued: they knowlingly entice expats into that hellhole of a city - shame on them.
I keep getting recruiters sending me job offers in Berlin for jobs I DID NOT APPLY FOR! It appears this site is working! YAY - that OR many expats in Berlin are seeing the light and packing their bags and leaving. I - for one - wont be returning to germany or Berlin or falling for their tricks. These companies should be sued: they knowlingly entice expats into that hellhole of a city - shame on them.
This is the best version of this song I've ever heard www.youtube.com/watch
If you're still on facebook (I know, I know) then join the group "Grumpy Expats" for fun, non-stop complaints about Germans.
I went to see the Pavarotti documentary tonight and realized just how the Germans have an almost total lack of the joy of living, laughing and loving.
These filthy cnts stole the most important things in my life, trust, optimism, empathy, comapssion and positivity. When I realised I was slowly becoming like them, I left, and I've never looked back.
If you get a chance, watch Pavarotti he knew what life was really about, what a great and humble man.
I'm not in Germany at the moment but I heard about the terror attack in Halle and was wondering how the German media is covering it. Are you guys hearing a lot about it? Seems chilling to imagine guys like that have access to grenade launchers and smgs.
The only reason why Berlin became a place that people enjoyed was because of the cheap rents after the wall came down, and creative people from all over Europe used it as their base, but the high rents have forced them out, and now you only have bland and embarrasing German student art. Berlin is over. Berlin ist uber. Go to Leipzig or Dresden.
I took some visiting friends to Dresden on the night of an AFD march and they spent a good hour talking to quite a few of the Afd marchers later on and my friends were amazed at how rational and polite they were and actully saw their points. Multi-Kulti has made Berlin into a shiithole. People in Dresden want to hang onto their culture, just like Africans in Africa, Arabs and Jews in the Middle East and people from far East Europe and Asia want to protect their cultures, why are they neo-nazis for wanting that. We didn't see anyone who even remotely seemd like a neo-nazi, they were all quietly spoken and respectful. Do not beileve one word from left wing media.
Of course it sucked. Ugly east german city like east berlin but with even worse paying jobs and more nazis. What city has the lowest % of Germans? Frankfurt or K-Town perhaps, so I guess those are the most acceptable cities with decent wages. Ef Germany.
AfD is filled with neo nazis. Bjorn Hocker makes anti-semitic comments regularly. For the person who tries to defend the crazies. Germany has had a lot of international people living in Germany for a really long time. When one writes people in Leipzig want to hang onto their culture or in Sachsen, what exactly do you mean. Because people in Bavaria have held onto traditional Bavarian culture that is enjoyed by locals and immigrants as well. International people have lived in Germany for hundreds of years. Also remember the Roman empire was not an homogenous empire. It is only Americans and Brits who look at Europeans and only see white people.
As someone who managed to recently flee Germany and that decrepit cesspit called Berlin I feel it to WARN all future expats considering moving to Germany:
1. Don't bother, you will eventually live to regret it.
2. Under NO CIRCUMSTANCE pay a deposit for a flat. You will never get it back and it's typically 3 Months' rent. This is the first thing that will trap you in Germany, unless you are willing to take a financial loss when you leave.
It's important to know that the German system is designed to trap people. Germans derive a great deal of pleasure knowing you are trapped and at the mercy of their bullying, racism, and general rude and exploitative behaviour.
3. If you decide you must absolutely come to Germany, a hellhole of a country, stay only 3 Months'. Then you don't have to register (another trap) and deal with the beaurocratic BS that will, along with the disgusting population, frustrate you to your wits end.
4. Don't get fooled by lies of Berlin and Germany are great: the people here are rude, stupid, incompetent and you will suffer for it at great personal and financial expense.
Peace!
German here. Just my opinion, after spending most of my life in german country:
1. There may be a high probability of you regretting coming to Germany, but that
does not necessarily have to be the case.
I have met a lot of happy foreigners here, who went about it the smart way.
They got educated in their home countries (mostly IT, economics), then got
fancy job offers from big players and came here with good jobs, decent incomes,
great apartments etc. I call it "Germany the easy way". They live in nice areas, have
international friends, bring their spouses and love it here.
Then, there are people who fall for the hype and want to live here, thinking
it will be roses, cheese cake and unicorns. If they are really lucky,
positive and outgoing individuals who know how to advertise
their services, they can make it as well (yes, I've met people like that, too.
Came here with a very positive outlook, somehow found their place and love it).
For lots of other people, it will be a hue disappointment and drag, because they don't have the
education, financial resources and/or personality to outweigh the masses of stress and negativity
they are constantly exposed to in Berlin. If you don't come with a job offer or at least
a decent amount of money, good social skills and strong resilience, you may get drawn into a
massive downward spiral. Other than that, anywhere is good with money!
2. It may be hard to avoid paying a deposit if you rent a place for yourself, but it may work out
in a flatshare or in a temporary sublet. There are agencies as well, as it seems. Haven't used them, and you'll pay more, but hopefully will be spared a lot of hassle.
3. Don't know if registration is really such a bad thing, because you can deregister anytime. You may get mail
from the TV licence guys who want to charge you 17 euros a month because you could theoretically watch German television. They are impossible to shake off, especially if you stay longterm. Other than that, OP is right. The red tape is no joke, especially when you are self-employed. And health insurance is mandatory.
4. Can't say much about people being rude, incompetent and unhelpful, because part of it may be
related to language barriers and misunderstandings. Things can be slow and complicated,
and Germans are people like you as well, so they may be fed up with the unnecessary complexity
and bureaucratic poop that is imposed upon them on a daily basis. Sometimes, people seem rude and
angry, but it's just the way they speak (when I was in Greece, I thought some people were angry and stirring up a fuss, but it was just the way they spoke).
My approach is to be friendly and fuss-free to make things easy for everyone, which works a lot of the time. Still, you will have to learn to be a smooth operator, scale down expectations and to endure frustration when things get complicated (something I had to do when visiting other countries as well, because some things work better in Germany).
The bottom line is, the experience here can be very diverse, depending on your circumstances, personality and education.
There's a lot of room for disappointment though, and if you are looking for a positive place that makes it easy for you to settle in, Germany wouldn't be my first recommendation, unless you love the culture and language and really want to live here.
@ German commentator
Thanks for sharing your perspective in a very well written comment. I would say that I did Germany the hard way. I came here as someone who was open-minded, has plenty of life experience and is fairly well educated. Despite this, I had underestimated how difficult it would be to learn the language and to adjust to life here. Decent public transport, interesting architecture, traditional restaurants and a rich cultural heritage are all things to be proud of and are things that visitors to this country can admire. Ultimately the frustration that I had endured ( bureaucracy, too many negative interactions, overly complicated rules and procedures) became too much for me.
A friendly German... Good one.
The only non-Germans I have met in Germany who liked it long term were from places even worse (Ukraine, India, China) and even they didn't like it very much. And a few drug addicts.
And the BVG only works because of massive subsidies. Every lazy 19-27 year old is a student and forced to have a ticket (subsidized by the state). Now every schoolchild also is forced to have a ticket (subsidized by the state). The entire infrastructure was subsidized by the state. But the profits are privatized. And meanwhile gasoline is taxed nearly 100%, roads are literally disintegrating. But the environment cries a German who willfully ignores the millions of tons of empty bus and train that rolls across Berlin each day. And also ignores heavily subsidized diesel, which is demonstrably much worse for emissions. It's almost as if the German govt wants people to be fully reliant on govt services so they can be treated as children. And what's so darn great about the BVG? If you don't like watching drunks piss inside train stations, don't like overheated subway cars because in 2019 the BVG still doesn't know what AC is, don't like 10% price increases every year, don't like perpetually late trains throughout winter, don't like watching junkies attack each other with bottles, don't like dodging piles of vomit, syringes, glass, sleeping bums etc then there's nothing of value for you.
Next time you're out in Berlin, not a touristy place like Mitte, look at the people around you. Is ANYONE happy? They all look utterly miserable. Look at the fear in their eyes when they ask a store clerk a question. Even Germans hate Berlin and no amount of weird German patriotism on this page can cover that up.
Unlike what Stefan here claims above, Germany is not great for the educated and well off. It's great only for the absolute lowest human beings around. If you're smart, educated or rich you'll undoubtedly have a better life elsewhere.
Dear German commentator - NO ONE ASKED FOR YOUR BESSERWISSER OPINION - GERMANY SUCKS; GERMANS ARE RUDE AND YOUR COUNTRY IS A DUMP.
"Unlike what Stefan here claims above, Germany is not great for the educated and well off. It's great only for the absolute lowest human beings around. If you're smart, educated or rich you'll undoubtedly have a better life elsewhere. " -- EXACTLY
"Sometimes, people seem rude and
angry, but it's just the way they speak " - NO ; THEY ARE F++++ RUDE, HAVE NO MANNERS OR DECENCY OR MORALS AND A GREEDY SHYSTERS. PERIOD: Stop trying to cover up the TRUTH German person. TO ALL EXPATS. DO NOT MOVE TO GERMANY, you will live to regret it!
"My approach is to be friendly and fuss-free to make things easy for everyone, which works a lot of the time. Still, you will have to learn to be a smooth operator, scale down expectations and to endure frustration when things get complicated (something I had to do when visiting other countries as well, because some things work better in Germany)."
What works better in Germany??
Also: I am not going to scale back being a normal person to put up with the rude and dysfunctional German population. Germans are annoying as f**** . If you make the mistake of moving to Germany you will experience it for yourself and rue the day you booked your flight.
Sorry fellow foreigners, but we're the underclass in Germany. I also have two degrees (obtained in Germany), have 12 years of general work experience and speak German at C2 but I am still an underling. Leaving early 2020 because Germany is probably the most retarded place on earth.
"Sorry fellow foreigners, but we're the underclass in Germany. I also have two degrees (obtained in Germany), have 12 years of general work experience and speak German at C2 but I am still an underling. Leaving early 2020 because Germany is probably the most retarded place on earth." --
EXACTLY. Not only is Germany a miserable country but they delight on putting down foreigners - especially educated ones. The irony is that Germans are the most incompetent and stupid people you will ever come across, so the basic scenario you have there is: being treated like dirt by people who are dumber than you are and retarded. This does not even include all the stupid bureaucracy in that country.
It's a common reply from Germans when you complain about Germany: Lower your expectations. But why should I? Why should my life be worse than it has to be? Why is everything about Germany so substandard? And why are we pretending that it's one of the most developed countries on earth when it's not.
"It's a common reply from Germans when you complain about Germany: Lower your expectations. But why should I? Why should my life be worse than it has to be? Why is everything about Germany so substandard? And why are we pretending that it's one of the most developed countries on earth when it's not."
Could not have said it better and spot on.
"@ German commentator
Thanks for sharing your perspective in a very well written comment. I would say that I did Germany the hard way. I came here as someone who was open-minded, has plenty of life experience and is fairly well educated. Despite this, I had underestimated how difficult it would be to learn the language and to adjust to life here. Decent public transport, interesting architecture, traditional restaurants and a rich cultural heritage are all things to be proud of and are things that visitors to this country can admire. Ultimately the frustration that I had endured ( bureaucracy, too many negative interactions, overly complicated rules and procedures) became too much for me. "
Sorry to hear about your experience, and thanks for your friendly words. As I tried to point out, this city seems to work for some people who are lucky enough to come with a good job offer and others who are really flexible. Learning the language can be difficult, and the negativity and crazy bureaucracy are a bummer even for German people. That's why I said I wouldn't recommend it. Hope you found a better place for yourself.
Stop trying to Skew things you German Besserwisser. Berlin being a horrible dump has NOTHING to do with having a good job. I had a good job - but Germans and dealing with their dysfunctional behaviour are the problem. You cannot be happy in a society full of rude, racist assholes with no decency or manners regardless of your job and money status. This I learned in Berlin and Germany. And also Germans always think they know better about everything... YOUR COUNTRY IS A PURE HELLHOLE. I AM GLAD I LEFT!
"good for you. better for us. you can now spew out your hate and negativity somewhere else, you cuck." -
LOL. Ironic a German trying to lecture people on negativity and hate. Germans are the most negative and hateful turds in the EU. Do not worry I am in a normal country now with people with manners - so its pure bliss. Thank goodness I am no longer in that sh*thole called Germany.
"Well what exactly did you expect when you started posting to a website called "berlinhater" German guy?"
The German is a f**** idiot...like all Germans, and ofcourse he came here to try and make himself feel better. Thats all there is to Germans: always have to be right about everything when infact they are total retards.
"Did the guy said he liked Berlin? He actually said he didn't recommend living there because it's a rough place. Didn't feel he was advertising it..."
The point is that he is trying to downply other people's valid opinions on how pooping Germany is and lying outright.
"It makes exactly zero sense for someone who likes Berlin and apparently thinks it offers adequate opportunities to even find this webpage. Probably a clinical schizoid thanks to early adult drug abuse."
EXACTLY. And also Germans have the need to oppress other people's valid opinions ad always be right. That German turd cannot stand the fact that we are FREE on this platform to express the truth about Berlin and Germans and has to come here to try and have the last word even though he is wrong and it has nothing to do with him...this iy TYPICAL German besserwisser behaviour.
2 degrees, CS Bachelor, Mathematics MSc here. I confirm this country suck ballz. Boring, life sucking, rude, imcopetent, cold, antisocial Germans; dark weather; boring aura; crappy food...miserable society depressing country. Sorry German bro above, Germany spesicifly sucks for educated foreigners. I have 2 degrees but some mean old lady finds right to yell at me at the street?? Germans suck
Excuse me, when did I say I was downplaying anyone else's valid opinion? This was about my experience in Berlin and the people I met. Some loved it, some hated it. You're entitled to your opinion, although frankly, I couldn't care less. Berlin's a social wasteland not least because of lowbrow sh*tfaces like you and you won't be missed.
"Berlin's a social wasteland not least because of lowbrow sh*tfaces "
Yup, it only took a matter of time till the true nature of the German came out: racist and unable to admit they screwed up. YOU TOTALLY TRIED TO DOWNPLAY EVERYONE ELSE'S TRUE OPINION OF YOUR SH*** COUNTRY. Now that you have been called out on it, you try to pretend you didn't. Read your own post you GERMAN SCHMUCK. And actually: Berlin is a acrid sh*hole due to the German population and I am NOT MISSING IT AT ALL. A f*** dump of a city with rude and nasty Germans. Germany as a whole is sh*"" and I am glad my post will warn expats off Germany and has showcased what Germans are REALLY like. Thanks! You German MORON.
Couldn't be bothered to read through the abuse, really. Having a different opinion is fine by me, but your capslock-shouting and aggressive behavior from the very start and towards a person you don't even know is acting like an a-hole in my book. Don't get why you are even coming back to this site, expect to piss off other people. Have a good life in your new-found paradise.
Maybe he s a pink unicorn, LOOL. XD anyway...it's not that serious, imo. 2 people with a somewhat different experience, and everyone knows what the big b can be like, except for a few lucky ones who'll hit the jackpot wherever they go.... chill out guys.
"Couldn't be bothered to read through the abuse, really. Having a different opinion is fine by me, but your capslock-shouting and aggressive behavior from the very start and towards a person you don't even know is acting like an a-hole in my book. Don't get why you are even coming back to this site, expect to piss off other people. Have a good life in your new-found paradise."
This site is for people, who rightly hate Berlin and Germany (and Germans) you fool.
And having an opinion is not aggression. Everyone agrees except you - you stupid German moron. You are too ingrained in your German ways to understand free speech or manners or to analyze your own behaviour -- TYPICAL GERMAN. Always out to oppress and can never admit when they are wrong. Germans are truly despicable. And yes I am in paradise and you need to grow up. You live in Germany because people in other countries would call you out on your dysfunctional mentality and stupidity on the daily.
"Couldn't be bothered to read through the abuse, really. Having a different opinion is fine by me, but your capslock-shouting and aggressive behavior from the very start and towards a person you don't even know is acting like an a-hole in my book. Don't get why you are even coming back to this site, expect to piss off other people. Have a good life in your new-found paradise."
This site is for people, who rightly hate Berlin and Germany (and Germans) you fool.
And having an opinion is not aggression. Everyone agrees except you - you stupid German moron. You are too ingrained in your German ways to understand free speech or manners or to analyze your own behaviour -- TYPICAL GERMAN. Always out to oppress and can never admit when they are wrong. Germans are truly despicable. And yes I am in paradise and you need to grow up. You live in Germany because people in other countries would call you out on your dysfunctional mentality and stupidity on the daily.
"Don't get why you are even coming back to this site, expect to piss off other people. "
What's it your business if I post here? TYPICAL GERMAN: Nosy and a control freak.
The REAL QUESTION is:why are you posting on this site if you love Berlin so much? Makes no sense at all -- but that's typical German -- always trying to dominate and out down foreigners when it's none of their business to do so. NO ONE is pissed off at my comments except you -- you retarded German f**".
I HOPE ALL EXPATS PLANNING ON COMING TO GERMANY AND READ THIS THREAD TOOK NOTE OF THE GERMAN'S BEHAVIOUR: It sums up Germans to a tee -- irrationall, stupid, always think they know better, always trying to put you down, cannot accept other opinions and can never admit they are wrong. They are unwilling or too stupid to analyze their own lack of intelligence and so its impossible to have a normal conversation with them as essentialy they are just spoilt and entitled brats all the way through adulthood and racist too. They have zero ability to analyze their own behaviour or emotional intelligence. They are SOMETHING ELSE and if you move here you will eventually regret it!
"2 people with a somewhat different experience" -
NOPE - 1 person with a good experience m the other 12+ posts telling a very negative experience of Berlin and showcasing the TRUTH about Berlin. A horrid, now-expensive, sh*hole with horrible people to boot.
The following post was written 4 years ago on reddit and remains one of the smartest assessments of German culture I have ever read.
PRIDE
Do I have too much or do you have too little?
I don't hate Germany, but am often frustrated by Germans. If you are not German this may help you understand them. If you are German this may help you understand yourself
I am a foreigner living in Germany. If you are German & have lost your job, I did not take it. You can not do what I earn money doing. I have earned the respect of many Germans for my work. From Udo Lindenberg to the alcoholic neighbor & Harz IV empfanger of one of my employees. I employ Germans & stimulate the German economy with my taxes & spending.
Authoritative comments & comparisons between countries about the quality of life there should be limited to persons who have LIVED in the respective countries. That includes but is not limited to being an official resident, renting an apartment in your own name, being gainfully employed, filing income tax returns, learning the language, & being socially engaged in the community (not just an enclave of ex-patriots). I say this not to devalue anyone's opinion but to distinguish between impressions from a short term visit and the experience that comes with residence.
The German "experience" is very different if you are vacationing, studying, living with your native born spouse, self-employed, (by the average German)instantly racially/nationally visually identifiable (Black, Russian, Asian, Middle Eastern, etc.), wealthy, speak fluent accent-free German, etc. Taking the advice of anyone fitting a drastically different profile than your own could be problematic. Native Africans have a very different experience in the United States as slave descendant African-Americans. A third generation Azerbaijani man has a much different perspective as woman visiting Kreuzberg from Turkey.
Having objectively observed German culture for more than 12 years, I believe I have discovered the cause for many of the behaviors that many foreigners find objectionable.
Self-esteem/Self-Worth/Pride...or more correctly the lack thereof. Very few Germans under 30 have any pride. Many who say that they are proud are overcompensating to combat prevailing views of their country. The line between national pride & exclusionary extremism is seen as dangerously thin & is therefore not popular. A man who hangs a German flag in his apartment window or in his backyard (when no German national team is in a championship) will make his neighbors (and any foreigners in the area) nervous. Civic pride that is seen as positive for many of us back home is virtually unheard of here. Populations who suffer from low self-esteem do not integrate well. They are fearful & mistrusting of outsiders. There is often a lack of education & social exposure that exacerbates this condition. The children & grandchildren of the war generation have transmitted the diminished expectations that they experienced after WWII. Post war life in the countries of the Allies were times of great social & financial growth. The media age allows every new advance to be instantly advertised around the world. Countries not experiencing such growth & prosperity become bitter. Jealousy becomes an epidemic. This manifests itself as hate & there are widespread attempts to discredit & devalue the more successful society (the propaganda battle between East & West Germany is a prime example). Personal & inherited war shame + low self-esteem + the media age x jealousy = Defeated Master Race Syndrome. (or DMRS) It is highly contagious & most Germans have a terminable case of it but haven't been diagnosed. Many who seek treatment escape from Germany to prevent re-infection. This decreases the number of "Proud Germans" & the talent pool (higher skilled/educated Germans are infinitely more like to leave Germany than those with a minimum education).
Seen with a compassionate eye Germans are a potentially good society currently affected by an enormous list of disadvantages. It is their unwillingness/inability to improve that many foreigners find horrible. If you come from an optimistic country, Germany will smother you. If you come from a country where inefficient or outdated rules can be repealed or overlooked, Germany will stifle you. If you come from a society where individualism is cherished, Germany will mock you. If you bring your originality to Germany, they will copy you. If you come to Germany & look better than, dress better than, earn more money than, have deeper faith than, receive more education than, have a bigger home than, have a bigger car than, or are happier than the average German, they will hate you....but these are all symptoms of Defeated Master Race Syndrome. Unless you are able to find those Germans who have been cured of (or hopefully never got) this ailment you will experience this.
Architects of the Third Reich could not have predicted that those that fled or survived their regime would rise to control much of the media is the USA. Accordingly the atrocities of WWII are retold with Dolby surround sound in theaters all over the world & probably will in perpetuity (lest anyone forget we'll release a new story every 18 months). Germany is not the only country to commit genocide...just the only one to do it in the media/information age where their victims have the power to tell the world & make a profit while doing it. As long as this is the case Germany will never escape its past & the world will never be allowed to forget it.
Additional problems that I have observed but won't extensively elaborate on: Low bithrate: kids are too expensive for Germans Exorbitant Taxes: .83 cents from every euro spent on gas is taxes. 19% sales tax on goods. income tax rates that go as high as 44%. Taxes/Fees on everything there's even a "fun tax" (vergnügungssteuer). Crumbling Socialized medicine that has not enough tax revenue to support itself. Church buildings that are too old, too large that are exclusively supported through taxes that more and more people are opting out of because they see the church as unnecessary (& the church is content to collect tax revenue & not serve the community). The devaluation of German products: Goods produced in Germany are often given Asian or American sounding names to increase their marketability INSIDE Germany. Lack of home ownership: It is common in Germany to pay rent (sometimes in the same apartment) for more than 40 years. School system: It is decided as early as the 4 grade if a child will go on to higher education. Foreign Language: Many students learn a foreign language for more than 6 years, receive good grades, & can not speak it conversationally. Creative Arts: Originality is not valued. Artistic quality is based on one ability to copy an existing work. Capitalism: The USA is seen as the capitalistic monster, but it's Germany with 1/4 of the residents who sells more things to the world than any other country...$1,530,000,000,000 in 2008...where is all that money?
Insecure Germans reading this now are probably very angry...because the things that I'm saying are unfortunately true. When kids in school called my mother a whore, I asked them "When should she have time to have sex? Between board meetings, raising my brothers & sisters, church council, & volunteering to feed the homeless, there was no time for her to stand on the street corner too." My mother was a vice-president of a Fortune 500 company. I didn't become enraged because it was categorically untrue. If I call your Father a cocaine addicted slob who beats your mother & raped you...if I don't know him personally AND none of it is true, it won't affect you. If I've been to your house & witnessed his behavior & everyone knows about his police record, then you will become infuriated when I print it in the newspaper. Angry, uneducated, factless responses or Anti-Foreigner (Go Home!) posts from Germans will only confirm that what I am saying is true.
Many Germans are not aware of how they are. They think that the "mean cold Germans" are somebody else. They don't see that they never smile while walking down the street. They don't recognize that they are rude to customers at their job. They don't see it as in their job description to be nice. They don't see that treating customers/clients nice is good for business...because in Germany it isn't. Most companies are not dependent on customer satisfactions, because a rudely treated customer still comes back. A rude salesperson in other countries would be fired or at the least earn less money through lower sales/commissions. German workers with direct customer contact have no motivation to treat you decently...so they don't.
Don't take it COMPLETELY personal...they treat each other the same way. Germans treat one another badly & hate it. They endlessly complain when they have to interact with governmental agencies, but won't fund these agencies giving the workers horrible working conditions. They hate rude people in public but cut in line themselves when they are in a hurry. They hate the lack of customer service (Servicewüste Deutschland), but accept it as normal.Germans hate cheap laborers from Eastern Europe but want everything for the lowest price possible. They exert twice as much energy complaining about their lives as it would require to make choices to improve it. The connection between choices & experience has escaped the German people. They believe that "Sht Happens" is a mantra. They don't see that they "chose Sht" & more importantly chose not to try to clean it up afterwards. If they offend someone or make a racial slur, it's the other persons fault for getting offended..."Es ist halt so!" (it's like that). Political correctness & civil courage are non-existent.
All of these things are the product of Post-War shame, low self-esteem/self-worth, the media age, & jealousy. Until these conditions change the climate will remain the same in German...continuing to worsen until it is unable to sustain life.
There are nice places in Germany & nice people as well. Your experience with Germans will completely depend on what/who you are by comparison. The things I describe are common in large cities as well as small towns. If you are not seen as better, a threat to their way of life, & don't cause or represent change...then your chances of a positive experience increases.
Know what you're up against & be realistic.
RN
"Architects of the Third Reich could not have predicted that those that fled or survived their regime would rise to control much of the media is the USA. Accordingly the atrocities of WWII are retold with Dolby surround sound in theaters all over the world & probably will in perpetuity (lest anyone forget we'll release a new story every 18 months). Germany is not the only country to commit genocide...just the only one to do it in the media/information age where their victims have the power to tell the world & make a profit while doing it. As long as this is the case Germany will never escape its past & the world will never be allowed to forget it."
There is so much wrong with this statement I don't even know where to start!
"Architects of the Third Reich could not have predicted that those that fled or survived their regime would rise to control much of the media is the USA. Accordingly the atrocities of WWII are retold with Dolby surround sound in theaters all over the world & probably will in perpetuity (lest anyone forget we'll release a new story every 18 months). " Yes, Jewish people make movies in Hollywood! Plenty of people of do. No, Jews do not CONTROL the media. This is racist, inaccurate and stupid stereotype. And in addition, how is it bad that the atrocities committed by the Third Reich (which, whether Germans want to say it out loud or not, were GERMANS in the country of GERMANY not just the generic "perpetrators".) continue to be discussed and exposed. Is there a moratorium on pointing out that genocide was committed!???? And are you suggesting that had they known some people might escape and make films they wouldn't have done what they did because it might have been bad publicity? Wtf? This is freaking ridiculous comment all around.
"Germany is not the only country to commit genocide...just the only one to do it in the media/information age where their victims have the power to tell the world & make a profit while doing it. As long as this is the case Germany will never escape its past & the world will never be allowed to forget it."
Again, really? WTF? First off, Germany is not the only country to, as this person put it, commit genocide in the age of media/information (whatever that is). Rwanda springs to mind. Anyway, regardless, why the fornicate should Germany, or anyone else, ever forget what was perpetrated here in this country? And how can anyone suggest that victims having to power to tell their story is bad thing? Boo freaking hoo for any German people who don't like to keep hearing about it because it gives them bad self esteem!!! fornicate off. Own it. It happened.
Very good article. Optimism is a sin Berlin.
I think the post written before mine is by a guilty German or a ZionistJew who lives with resentment in her heart, instead of forgiveness, that's the difference between Christians and heathens. That is why the Christian world has flourished, while backward people who still have an in an "eye for an eye mentality" are creating their own hell on earth and will repeat their history over and over again. Now it's the Soviet indoctrinated Germans turn to hate the ZionstJews for creating so much guilt through their media propaganda machines. While Christians live in peace. By the way, if you would like me to leave a list here of all the controllers of wetsern media, I'm happy to do so, as well as quotes by prominent ZionistJews who admit that ZionistJews do indeed control western media.
He was absolutely right about the ZionistJews owning the media and brainwashing Germans into psychological/emotional submission. They brainwash the rest of the world as well. ZionistJews and Germans are very similar to each other, you only have to look at how Palestinians are treated. I think ZionistJews would feel very much at home in Berlin. Most people in the Christian world know that revenge and hatred for your enemies will hurt you more than them, but the Germans who grew up under Soviet rule and also ZionistJews, still live under the mantra of "an eye for an eye" and never forgive, they eat themselves up from the inside out, you can see it in faces of both sides. .
"If you bring your originality to Germany, they will copy you". Correct, and they will never acknowledge you for your idea.
I think the rudeness in shops is because they never had competition in the East, so it was a "take it or leave it mentality". The same type of culture the West had before privatization and competition. Don't judge the whole of Germany with your Berlin experience, it would be like comparing tjhe USA's greedy, moronic, brainwashed east and west coast lefties, with the salt of the earth people in middle America. And guess which culture is predominant in New York, Florida, Silicon Valley and LA, that's right, all controlled by ZionistJews, or and German descendents.
I don't like dogmatic religions, but the basic tenets of the NEW testament (not the OLD) hold all the wisdom one needs to live a good and peaceful life, that is why the West has prospered.and the reason so many other religious based cultures want to come to the West, to escape the cavewoman mentality of their own countries and cultures, dominated by religions, I don't notice any Westerners trying to escape to ZionistJew or Ismlamic countries.
Come and join us in the 21st century and leave the 1st and 6th centuries behind, but if you try to bring your stone age cutures here, you will always be treated like pariahs.
Salt of the earth people in Middle America??? Don't make me laugh. That's where all the German descendants are and that's a big reason why that country is so messed up.
Do actually agree with your comment about how Palestinians are treated though and you can thank Germany once again for leading to the legitimisation of the creation of the Israeli state.
I'll take a mid-westerner over a selfish, politically correct lefty, any day. I love watching Trump drain the swamp of commie scum. I don't notice brainwashed lefties trying to get into China or Russia or the Middle East, no, it's the other way around. You couldn't pay me to live in NYC, SF, LA or Miami, the shiiitholes of the earth, why, because they've lost their christian roots. .
Does anyone have a explanation for this situation? I was getting a wagon to go shopping and I put away my cigarette away from the door before I wanted to go in. There were these 2 dumb doors...actually why is it not just one door. Entrance to the right, exit to the left. So I happened to make a bit of a turn because I threw away my cigarette and ended up at the exit and there was someone coming out. I only saw the exit and therefore went to entrance but there was this person. And I stopped because she also stopped but her wagon was a few inches in the way so I couldn't get in. She looked at me. I didn't know what she wanted. I said I believe you have to go first. And she then did but she looked at me as if I was up to something. Did she think I was kidding her? I just can't comprehend her behaviour. I don't really care but maybe someone knows. I mean wtf was she thinking, that I meant to bother her, how is this possible? I didn't feel to fill her in at all because she wasn't even receptible for that. Something like: I was just doing a mistake eben maturely said as in far above it, because she could wrapped that up in her movie it feels. I felt bothered by her. I only stopped because she was in the way. How could she possibly act like that? How could she assume it was about her since it seems pretty obvious that I mistook something simply. I feel a strong need now to have said Wtf do you want? I miss the satisfaction of her seeing it the same. Is it stupidity?
Now that I think about it, I did stop because I did expect there to be the entrance. Maybe it appeared different to her. These things happen not rarely. Maybe it looked to her like I wanted to go in there but then stopped because she was there and I was angry I couldn't get in. So maybe I had said: Noo :) I don't mean to get in there, I happened to confuse the door :) which would be irritating if I justified with it. Like something felt off to say I believe you have to go first, which I'd say actually in a light way but I couldn't because of her movie and how it had appeared to her, that I though didn't see. It feels a misunderstanding is what was up with it.
Or even if I couldn't figure it, I would assume nothing bad and feel as I do which is something like ?? but with her so to speak. I feel these things do not require to read unreal hard to get pov's but to go with your feel. Especially because this wud not appear any false way in her movie since she cud see I am confused. And I remember I said very distantly I believe you have to go first, yet I perceived her as opposing to me and she likely perceived me the same way towards her. So it's just whatever, since it's always a misunderstanding anyway and kinda lame to fear it since it's always the same and feeling the right way will take care of everything.
"I'm just being human but it feels not natural to think about it." -
That is what you need to understand: there is no humanity in Germans. You are trying to analyze people with hearts filled with hatred, bitterness and no empathy (see WW2 for more proof if needed), added on top of this they are racist and have a superiority complex - that is the answer right there. If this is how you spend your time rather than trying to formulate a plan to leave, then that will be your fault. In no normal society does one have to deal with such f** up behaviour and interactions as with Germans and Berliners. She probably saw you as a dirty foreigner which is why she scowled at you - thats the painful truth- take it or leave it.
I have noticed that in Germany I actively try not to connect with people anymore. Even if they seem decent and do something showing a tiny spark of humanity like cracking a joke or something similar I'll just sarcastically smile and avoid eye contact. I guess I am trying to out-German the Germans. Luckily I can turn that off when abroad but it's pathological and widespread. I think Berlin might be making me autistic though.
I know now why it feels not natural. Because I wasn't listening to my feel. I wanted to throw the cig in front of the door and then thought about where to throw it cause I didn't want to put it there and just didn't feel confident overall. Kinda on the wrong track, like a lack of own impulse. And it can't be good to make adjustments from there, and feels already stretched and not intuitive.
Leaving Germany was the BEST DECISION EVER. Its a nasty country, full of nasty, greedy, incompetent fools and unnecessary bureaucracy aimed at frustrating foreigners in particular. A vile county in Europe.
"I spent the best part of a year in Germany. I wish I had never bothered coming here" -
I hear you. I only spent 4 months in Germany and deeply regretted it after the 1st month. Took another 3 Months to leave - I suggest you do the same. The country is annoying and a complete waste of time.