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Really old thread about German higher education that's worth a read:
www.toytowngermany.com/forum/topic/73563-diplom-vs-bachelors-degree/
Really wonder why Germans are so proud of their second-rate universities.
i think it is true that a diplom is a bachelors+ masters as they basically divided the content into two but it also seems to be way too condensed now in the bachelor and they also only teach you theoretical basics and nothing useful for the working world.
I wouldn't really say I had to fight through the system. The one life lesson I learned from studying here is that as long as you show up and do the required work, that regardless of effort or quality things will turn out all right.
The smartest people didn't go to university, or dropped out early when they knew it was an indoctrination camp into the status quo. That's why most people in Berlin are numbskulls, they mostly go to universities to learn political correctness.
Apple founder Steve Jobs dropped out of Reed College.
TV host and comedian Ellen DeGeneres dropped out of the University of New Orleans after one semester.
The creator of Tumblr David Karp never even graduated from high school.
Walt Disney left school at 16 to join the Army. He couldn’t get in because of his age so he joined the Red Cross and left for Europe.
Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard but later got an honorary degree.
Paul Thomas Anderson dropped out of NYU film school.
Zac Goldsmith MP for Richmond Park and North Kingston did not go to university, instead deciding to travel the world. He told the Financial Times: “I think university is hugely overrated for most people,” he says, insisting that a wide range of good apprenticeships is more useful than three years of light work and heavy drinking. “I would not encourage my children to go to university.”
Yoko Ono dropped out of Sarah Lawrence College
Woody Allen was thrown out of New York University after one semester and later dropped out of the City College of New York.
James Cameron studied physics at Fullerton College. He dropped out to become a truck driver.
Thomas Edison left school to work on the railroad at the age of 12.
F. Scott Fitzgerald dropped out of Princeton.
Coco Chanel dropped out of school to become a cabaret singer when she was 18.
Whole Foods founder John Mackey dropped out of the University of Texas.
Pablo Picasso dropped out of the Royal Academy of Fine Arts.
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^to the above commenter.... yes some of the smartest people did not go to university, but this was outside of Germany. In places where you can further yourself by being an entrepreneur- something which is not financially viable in Germany. Germany also doesn’t like change or original thought, so those people couldn’t have been successful there. It depends on location. That being said, sometimes you should go to university. I left Berlin and now am finishing my degree - because although I did well being self employed in another country, in Berlin I was financially ruined. It made me consider that maybe things wouldn’t always work out being self employed. Anyway. Am no longer in Berlin but getting my life back. Some fields need degrees. Such as medicine. I also like to learn.... so if you are getting a good quality of learning there is nothing wrong wit attending school.
Why is it so difficult to get working internet in this shithole?
Why is it not included in the rent?
Why does it take 4 weeks to get the technician to come over and its still not working?
A good Arab is an Arab who stays in Arabia, and a good muslim is a muslim who stays in Islamic countries, not western countries christian-based countries. All through history these and other people who originated in the Middle East have been kicked out of dozens of countries, they are a cancer, eating up all the positive revolutions the west has gained from over the past 400 years. Without oil they'd be still riding camels. I could never live in another western city with these neanderthals.
Imagine waking up every morning thinking about the hand you chopped off the night before, the clitoriss you cut, the public flogging you gave or watched, the women you treat like second class citizens, the people you kill because they don't believe in your god etc etc etc, and imagine waking up every morning thinking that you are superior to everyone else, the chosen people if you will. What sort of pathetic megalomaniac thinks they are the chosen ones, sounds kinda kooky if you ask me.
the biggest hipster phallace face jerk i ever met in my country went to berlin and has been living there for 3 years. He spend 2 years trying to be seen reading Infinite Jest before this.
I understand why he went to berlin now. Because he's another vapid sheep, a follower. Too spineless and insecure to risk having his own opinions or develop taste.
That is all.
Ps. fornicate german customer "service" - they think they're so freaking above whatever job they ended up in. How about you stop being so insecure about the fact you're not an ubermench and treat others with the basic level of decency they deserve.
Can you believe that only a handful of the audience of filthy krauts gave this wonderful 8 year old a standing ovation. www.youtube.com/watch
And for christmas, check out this delightful unaffected 10 year old with the voice of an angel singing O Holy Night, it's sublime. Watch other youtube videos from her AGT audition, she will lift your spirits and maybe bring a tear of joy to your eyes. www.youtube.com/watch
Don't show it to Germans, they just say something cynical, like "Sie ist zu zucker" whereas English based people will add an Oh as in "Oh, she is too sweet for words".
An observation: I have bee coming to the university to study/work for about the last 3 weeks. You have to show your Ausweis in order to get past the porter people. It is the same woman allmost every time. The first time I went in and showed the ID thinking nothing of it. On the same day I went out of the building, entered again and was asked to show the ID as if she'd never seen me before. Ok fair enough I'm not that special or attractive..But even after going there 5, 10, 15 times it makes 0 difference and she acts like shes never seen me before and I absolutely must my Ausweis zeigen. Its so weird, its like when you go to the supermarket and see the same person at the till every week but they act like they dont even recognise you.
The thing with the Supermarket is insane. I see the same people, almost freaking daily in my local Edeka and had the audacity a few weeks back to make some small talk after going there for almost 2 years, y'know because I am a human being and I thought they were as well. How wrong I was. Most awkward interaction imaginable.
Agree. I am German. I do yell at strangers in public but would never scream at my friends! I would feel totally offended if a friend yelled at me. Harmony is king in our private life, much more than many of you think. It's just a different culture that has other markers for private and public space.
Also I rather have strangers see me naked in a mixed sauna than my close buddies. Weird indeed
... My US american BFF however will be very aggressive with me when advising me on personal matters and I feel offended on a regular basis. However she would not yell at the weirdest person insulting her on the street as she thinks this might result in a shootout. Totally different cultures ...
Whilst I understand the different markers between public and private, I am hardly trying to be make friends with the people in the Supermarket. A simple "Grüß dich" or "schönen Tag noch" to people you see every day is hardly the deepest private connection. It's pretty much a basic requirement for being a functioning adult.
It’s funny germans are calling Turks germans now suddenly that they made a vaccine. After 70 years, they are finally now “german”. Funny how that is.
The notion of good and bad foreigners in this country disgusts me. If you are white and western, learn German and make gosh darn sure to ALWAYS have a job and you MIGHT just fall in to the good category. If you are from anywhere else, you basically have to create a Vaccine for a global pandemic to come even close to be considered good. These people are evil to the f ucking core.
The leftist / new wave / hipster people over here just want the Berlin of the 90's. Their philosophy is simply conservative. Consequently, the city lacks any progress or vision, but is just "getting by"...
THIS!!! Sorry copied it from below but don't want anyone to miss it.
Berlin is for followers. If you want to lead, or take control of your life & get rewarded for what you deserve, you will never be happy in Berlin. Because german society places the communal over the individual and represses people who are overly ambitious.
So how long did it take until it first dawned upon you that something was really wrong with this place? Me took me 2 years to sense sth was utterly wrong. I fell into a deep depression but by that time blamed it on myself.
After 2 months here I began to suspect that something wasn't right about this place. I persisted for nearly a year before quitting on this country altogether. I too became extremely depressed and blamed myself, only realising at the end that the problem was the culture I had been surrounded by.
I took me forever. I came to study in a village in the south, I tried switching to a proper city (nope), moving to Berlin (nope), getting a german gf (nope), learning the language (nope, they always switch to their arnold-accent airport english), after all those years I realized I have to leave and just now I am starting to work on an exit strategy.
I kind of noticed it on my first visit tbh, all the things - german rudeness, sketchy vibe to the place, dark energy - but I thought it was just the aesthetic, I mean if Berlin is so cool maybe that was why? The first year I struggled to find a place to live but I was also partying constantly and had savings, although things did happen in that year such as problems with housing, money, finding paid work and I also got attacked in the street one time. Once my savings ran out and I had a stable place to live and I decided to stop partying, just before the one year mark, once i sobered up, talked to many people with same experiences ... there when I realized this was a common thing for everyone, and even a decade later some people still struggled with same things. I also had a few friends die from overdose and suicide, I dated a crazy german, had germans constantly berate and harass me.... I became stuck.... with the corona grant, it afforded me enough money to move away and scramble to get my previous life back. Berlin is only good if you have rich parents these days, the housing situation is crazy and it’s expensive now, if you’re doing it yourself like an actual adult, don’t bother. You will struggle.
i noticed when i first talked to my ex gf. Thought she was very out of touch with her emotions but felt sorry for her and didnt quite realise the extent of it at the time as i was young and naive. I think part of me was impressed by how logical and analytical Germans can be but that results in them neglecting the emotional part of their brain and in the long run actually makes them more stupid as they are out of touch with their true selves.
All the young people in Germany, east and west are the children and grandchildren of Nazis, what do you expect, the Von Trapp family? Imagine what hell it must have been growing up in a house/apartment with these people as your role models. An emotionally healthy German is as rare as hen's teeth and rocking horse SShit.
One time a German guy ate me out and when I looked down after he finished he was staring at me with a blank look on his face. Creepiest thing I have ever seen in sex. No emotion. Almost like the fact that I got off was offensive to him. What the hell is wrong w this country.
Germany is the only country where you live ''student life'' during your entire life.
When I was master student here (in a city of NRW) I was more or less living the same life in terms of life standards. I don't know If It is same for you but I am extremely underpaid for the job I do but I am reluctant to change It. I want my next move to be leaving Germany not changing a job.
So, I am patiently waiting for pandemic to be over.
Since like 7 years, I have been struggling to understand this country. How can people work for these ridiculous salaries without complaining? People assume 2500 € net is a good monthly salary. How come? It is going to be my fifth year at my current company 6 months later but I am sure, I will be not receiving any pay rise. I even stopped asking and caring for It. I only want to leave this country at earliest convenience, I am just focused on this life goal.
Berlin is for followers. If you want to lead, or take control of your life & get rewarded for what you deserve, you will never be happy in Berlin. Because german society places the communal over the individual and represses people who are overly ambitious.
The problem is that the tax and social securities, rente, and insurance are too high. It eats up almost 40% of your salary. The company that pays you 2500€ actually needs to add an additional 21%. So the company pays you 2500€ x 1,21% = 3025€ because they pay half of your rente, social securities, and insurance. It is a country that is better to be poor. I know one guy who are cleaning my office, he can have rent for 72m2 in München for 500€ and he have a car too! That's being poor in Germany. While I could not afford all of that luxus because I am considered middle class...
