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I was in this shop the other day. There was a small queue and an older gentleman seemed to be waiting on the side. I wasn't sure if he was queuing, so I asked if he was. He told me he wasn't and thanked me for being so polite, he added that politeness is very uncommon nowadays. In his view it's even getting worse and worse. This gentleman probably lived throughout the entire decline of this city. Poor guy.
Quick question: Payday is on Monday. Why are not more people packing their bags and leaving this dump of a country?
-Kaution?
- Relationship?
What could possibly possess you all to stay longer?
Even Germans I know want to leave!
Very smart move, you just saved yourself many watsed years of frustration. I won't send you good luck wished, because anywhere else you won't need good luck. But please send a message to the person who runs this blog and let them know how thanksful you are for this wonderful service. I really thought I was going insane when I lived in Berlin until I found BerlinHater. Maybe even send a donation. They have a Contact Us button on the top righthand side. I hink I will send them a donation as well.
"Hello again. We spoke a few posts back. I had felt stuck here but now.....IT'S DONE! I'm taking your advice and I'll be leaving this sad excuse for a country. I expect to be gone by the close of next week."
AWESOME. You will not regret leaving and I am sure you feel better already. Best regards.
"The hope that things might get better. It is also this hope that can lead one to be clinically depressed here"
Come on....get a grip ---- you know that things will not get better only worse. We all get what we pay for in life. If you are dumb enough to stay in Berlin then clinical depression is your reward,
"Very smart move, you just saved yourself many watsed years of frustration. I won't send you good luck wished, because anywhere else you won't need good luck. But please send a message to the person who runs this blog and let them know how thanksful you are for this wonderful service. I really thought I was going insane when I lived in Berlin until I found BerlinHater. Maybe even send a donation. They have a Contact Us button on the top righthand side. I hink I will send them a donation as well.'
Yes, yes, yes and yes! :o)) Reading through these pages has brought a sense of relief and has helped me to deal with it all. I thought I was going nuts thinking the way I was. It makes me sad to think that there are lots of people who are suffering here but it's nice to know I'm not the only one.
'Come on....get a grip ---- you know that things will not get better only worse. We all get what we pay for in life. If you are dumb enough to stay in Berlin then clinical depression is your reward'
Haha yeah true. I lived in hope but decided to stop hoping and get the hell out. I feel sorry for the people who had dreamt of coming here, only to leave with a sense of loathing and a bad taste in their mouth.
'Screw this place and all the best in your new country....'
Thanks. I'm going back to Australia and back to my old job for a few months, as I got along great with my old boss and Nov-Feb is a busy time in this line of work. It aint perfect there but it'll be heaven after wasting all these months in this toilet bowl. After this I'll head back to Europe but will be avoiding this place like a swarm of bees. I'm thinking maybe Prague or Warsaw.
LEAVING GERMANY IN 3 DAYS! The feeling is truly exhilarating. Was smiling to myself whilst walking down the street and NONE OF THE MISERABLE GERMANS could understand why I was smiling.
This country is an absolute misery. To all those who feel trapped but are too afraid to leave: TAKE THE STEP AND LEAVE. There are other much better countries in Europe where people are normal, have manners, decency and dignity. Germans are truly f*** up. You cannot change them or this country so best thing is to remove yourself from the equation. What I have found is that Germans are predictable: they will only heap misery on you and you will only become more miserable.
Its everyones payday soon - take a leap of faith and leave. AND DO NOT PAY KAUTION OR ANMELDEN YOURSELF!!!
LEAVING GERMANY IN 3 DAYS! The feeling is truly exhilarating. Was smiling to myself whilst walking down the street and NONE OF THE MISERABLE GERMANS could understand why I was smiling.
This country is an absolute misery. To all those who feel trapped but are too afraid to leave: TAKE THE STEP AND LEAVE. There are other much better countries in Europe where people are normal, have manners, decency and dignity. Germans are truly f*** up. You cannot change them or this country so best thing is to remove yourself from the equation. What I have found is that Germans are predictable: they will only heap misery on you and you will only become more miserable.
Its everyones payday soon - take a leap of faith and leave. AND DO NOT PAY KAUTION OR ANMELDEN YOURSELF!!!
If any whining Berlin/German Feminists try to convince you that the gender wage-gap is a patriarchal reality, send them this list of women who debunk it with real facts and real statistics.
The "WAGE-GAP" is a myth. Read what these smart women have to say about the mythical wage-gap. Feminists love to play the "victim" card.
Oh and one man included on list, but he has a penis, so what would he know about anything to do with women, yet female Feminists want to give their extremely biased opinions about men, all the time, about everything.
Sarah Ketterer www.wsj.com/articles/the-wage-gap-myth-that-wont-die-1443654408
Heather Higgins www.youtube.com/watch
Christina Sommers time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/
Kate Andrews blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/07/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-myth/
Abigail Hall blog.independent.org/2015/10/08/the-gender-wage-gap-a-myth-that-still-just-wont-die/
Carrie Lukas www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/04/16/its-time-that-we-end-the-equal-pay-myth/
Guy Bentley dailycaller.com/2015/08/31/study-busts-gender-pay-gap-myths-as-young-women-earn-more-than-men/
This forum is full of whiny guys who have a problem with feminists. What's your point? Just ignore them if you don't agree. Women have had to deal with male chauvinism and injustice based on gender for centuries. No wonder some of them turned into man-hating feminists. Have empathy and leave them alone. Nobody's going to squash your balls or take away your job.
I believe his point was that there is a gender pay gap that exists for a reason, which is very clear if your read the post and the linked articles. You can't simply equate every criticism of feminism with a male fear of castration. Perhaps you're correct that women have been subject to chauvinism for centuries. But they've also been benefactors of chivalry and have, by and large, on average historically had more comfortable lives than men. I can't imagine how one could even begin to craft an argument against that.
There should be no stigma in hating feminism just as there should be no stigma in opposing men's rights activists or any other ideology. I'll develop empathy for third wave feminists when science proves adequately that ancestral victimhood and suffering can be passed down through epigenetics and when I am shown that women empirically had more dismal existences. And no, I am not OP.
Perhaps the dumb cuck two comments earlier, or maybe it was a sexist feminist, could tell me if these issues are worth noting when saying only women are treated unfairly.. Grow some ballls and stop being a cuck or a Feminist cuunt.
Workplace deaths - 94% men
Suicides 73% men
Homelessness 80% men
Worse health men
Imprisonment 87% men
War dead 99% men
Longest work hours men
Most stereotyped men and women, also called brainwashing
Least university enrolled men
Manual labour injuries men Also, more the victims of violence
Most serious sport injuries men
Plus more drug, alcohol and smoking addiction, probably caused by the extra stress they carry from being left out of the equation when it comes to the help dollar, because Feminists get it all.
Now tell me in all seriousness, have you ever heard a feminist support these issues, the answer is of course a huge, NO!!! So don't tell me they are for equality. They are selfish and self serving.
Took this more as an opportunity to address the general rambling about feminists in this forum, something which is becoming a nuisance. Sure, history has benefited and disadvantaged both men and women in different ways. And yes, people who work harder physically (extreme jobs mostly performed by men) are entitled to decent wages.
On the other hand, there are plenty of physically demanding, fatiguing jobs in the industry where the pay is poop and which are carried out by both genders. Not to mention single moms who have to work two or more jobs to get by and feed their kids. At the same time, people who know how to juggle with numbers can make a fortune basically sitting in an office chair and taking advantage of the market. A lot of salaries are unjustifiably high, while others are ridiculuosly low. Should a banker (male or female) make 6 figures lazing away at the beach while letting his money do the heavy lifting, when a single mom with kids works 40 hours and still has to do the parenting?
Having said that, men actually are at an advantage, not just when it comes to physical work: no maternity leave, less fear that they will become pregnant on the side of the employer, gender stereotypes according to which they are born to be "leaders", and historically haven't been excluded from the job market to stay home cleaning, cooking and childminding, while at the same time being told what they did was not "real work" and didn't deserve payment. But these are advantages which have more to do with the values a society cultivates, and would not necessarily be an issue in a more egalitarian society, where being pregnant and nurturing a society's offspring wouldn' be seen as "less than".
Sadly, it's a part of our history which can't be wiped out of people's subconcious just over night.
Not saying women can't make it in today's world and it's all the men's fault, but it's stupid to deny the effect of age-old patriarchal structures. It's better to deal with our cultural heritage intelligently - not by denying it, but by being aware of it and consciously choosing cooperation and finding ways to work around the problems we have together. Sorry for this being long.
Bettina Arndt is the new Camille Paglia, she has balls of steel, she needs them to stand up to the bullying Feminists in Australia. www.bettinaarndt.com.au/videos/
Lol. What’s the point in challenging people who haven’t won the genetic lottery or have been gifted with talent. It is a total waste of time . There have always been ugly, poor and stupid people. Them shouting about isn’t going to do anything. In fact their whole display seems to negatively impact them. No one likes a whiner from any side of the debate.
"Hum...a former sex therapist who feels she has to "stand up for men's rights" as if the poor helpless men couldn't . Wth. This is patronizing and sketchy"
So following your 'logic', you are saying a man shouldn't speak up about women's problems, is that right. So many stupid cuck hypoicrites in this Brave New World of brainwashed imbeciles.
This very intelligent woman sums up Feminism, www.youtube.com/watch
Men don't need the same support from women as women do from men and other women. Not that there is anything wrong with a woman speaking up for a man, but who would make it their profession and for what reason? Imagine a homosexual person becoming an advocate for straight people's rights, because of all the nasty homosexual SJWs. Sound ridiculous? Because it is. Besides, your foul language marks you as a person nobody would want to speak up for.
Are you being disingenuous in this statement, or did you get brainwashed in a Lefty establishment masqurading as a university. Better run to your safe-space :o))
Here's what you wrote.
"Men don't need the same support from women as women do from men and other women. Not that there is anything wrong with a woman speaking up for a man, but who would make it their profession and for what reason?"
My reply: There are plenty of women who dedicate their lives to getting men's issues taken seriously. Here's a few to get you started, if you can be bothered to hear a different point of view for as a chnage form the relentless moaning and whining by victim-feminists.
Karen Straughan (Karen’s a 1st class genius, feminists dirty their pants when they see her coming)- www.youtube.com/watch
triggeralert.blogspot.com/2014/07/time-magazine-on-women-against-feminism.html
Prof Christina Hoff Sommers - www.youtube.com/watch
Cassie Jaye - www.youtube.com/watch
Prof Janice Fiamengo - www.youtube.com/watch
Ha ha, I've never been happier than since going MGTOW, I love my life, I'll leave all that other stuff to suckers. Imagine having girl like you who thinks everything that she doesn't beleive in is hogwash. Trapped, no escape. The MGTOW life is wonderful, never boring.
A man needs a woman brainwashed by Feminists like a kangaroo needs a pogo stick..
HAHA, you love your life so much you have to post endless comments about stupid feminists and make this place, which is a forum about Berlin, about you and your unresolved conflict with them. If you're MGTOW and your life is so wonderful, why not be happy you left them behind and get on with life? This is becoming boring and pointless. Out of this discussion.
:o))))) I seem boring to you because you are boring with your complaints about me educaing young men and women to be very careful about getting sucked into the Berlin victim-Feminist web, which means you are the one who doesn't have a life because you are trolling the one who you say doesn't have a life, so get out of yoru safe-space and get a life. The small amount of time it takes me to post here gives me graet pleasure to expose sexist whiners. And no amount of emotional blackmail form the likes of a cuck like you will shut me up, on the contrary, you only make me realize just how brainwashed people are with lefty propaganda about the bad white man. BOOO!!!!
I think it will be a better place when we have balanced debate and people's statistics challenged, that is what science is based on and that type of science had brought us to having such a high standard of living that people even 30 year ago could have dreamed of. And yet, Feminists still try to paint themselves as victims. What a sad way to live, seeing your life through a lens of oppression. Very sad.
To all the expats here who feel Berlin and Germans are the worst: Not arguing with your feelings. Berlin can do that to you. But you have a great advantage - you come from places outside Germany and have more perspective and maybe the option to go back. There are lots of Germans you don't know about and who suffer here, too. It's not easy for them to leave, because they've built a life here already. You would't notice them next to all the extreme Berliners (a lot of them being foreigners anyway). So be happy you know what life is like in other corners of the world, and be aware that in this respect, you are very, very lucky.
Yes, if anything, we should perhaps feel compassion for these children of Stalin. Maybe hey misss the Stasi and lack of freedom of movement, and lack of choice of goods to buy. Perhaps they miss speakig Russian. I think the generation that are now babies might adapt better to the capitalist, free world. I'm never sure whether to feel sorry for them or pity them.
I've noticed how over the years their empoyers have forced them to sa somethung friendly at checkouts, bt the older oes say hello or hanks you through gtritted teeth, but the ypunger ones seem to get the idea of making life more friendly for customers makes it better for them as well.
Of course they don't know what anywhere else in the world is like "Besserwisserei" isn't a phrase for no reason! they're fully convinced they have the best of everything, are the best at everything, and have stupid certificates from self-made authorities to make themselves feel legit. No, there's not a perspective and nothing is ever good enough for a German, whose existence is only to impress other Germans. Because they are all that exists in their minds. Or worthy of having place, in their opinions.
From my experience Germans - even the new Generation are racist, besserwisser, not interested in foreign culture and just downright rotten and cunts. Plus they have ZERO COMPASSON;::: HENCE I DO NOT HAVE COMPASSION FOR THEM: If they are miserable thats their own problem. They are f*** cunts. Plus its no excuse "they have built a life here*** -- if you really want to leave a place you can make it happen.
On my way out. whoop! I hate this f*** country. Got paid and quitting my job. Low paying I might add.
Of course it is low paying. You're a foreigner. Women here have the backing of the whole media and countless interest groups who'll parrot the 25% wage gap (which defies all economic basis) but do a quick google search and you'll see on average foreigners in Germany earn even less than that. Same sloppy and politically motivates statistics but no mention of it ever. The only difference being that until 5 years ago foreigners in Germany, on average, were better educated than Germans.
Why are the covering the faces of these Muslims www.bz-berlin.de/tatort/menschen-vor-gericht/erst-stritten-sich-die-kinder-dann-sollen-acht-maenner-die-eltern-verpruegelt-haben
I stopped taking my anti-depressants about 6 months ago. I'd been on them here for the past 4 years because I had severe insomnia and the doctors here were too incompetent to give me anything else to fix the problem. Each month I feel more like I did before I went on them, i.e. a full range of emotions. But lately mostly rage. The entire last 4 years I've still hated Berlin and all the stupid Germans in it but I was able to deal with it and look past the daily reminders that this is not a normal place. But now it's different. I know, not just on a cognitive level but on a visceral level as well, that I can't stay here. It's very difficult to drag myself in to my deadend, underqualified job everyday. It's nealy impossible to deal with my co-workers without just getting up in the middle of the day and leaving without saying a word. In fact, not being on any medication makes me seriously question whether EVERYONE else I deal with on a regular basis is on something. Anyway, this is just a wordy rant to say that quitting my medicine was the smartest thing I could have done to accept that my time here is officially over. Anyone else who might read this should try - if you're on meds or drugs and have been wavering on whether you should leave then quit cold turkey and you'll know. If you're here because your relationship to a German is keeping you here then ask him or her to leave with you. If they won't make the sacrifice for you (and we both know they won't) then why are you doing it for them? Someone here said recently that Germans don't understand reciprocity and that is absolutely correct. Leave before you lose all ambition, creativity and lust for life. There's something heinous about this place that's so rampant I have trouble believing it isn't a conapiracy.
I've read every single post ever written here. All the angry rants. All the Berliners trying to defend their city. All the complaints from one individual who really seems to be bothered when paying at supermarkets. Even all of the weird random word posts that aren't coherent. But one thing I have never seen is a Berliner/German saying something like "Hey, my girlfriend really hates this city. What are some things I can do to make things easier for her?" Germans don't seem to tick like that. In fact, they don't really seem to have any capacity for empathy at all. I ask myself if getting frustrated with them is like getting mad at a mosquito for biting you.
<<<In fact, they don't really seem to have any capacity for empathy at all.>>>
They don't. Not a single one of them. Even the somewhat, maybe, kind of nicer ones. The concept of empathy is not understood here. None of them give a poop about anyone but themselves. Even actually for their own friends and family. They are robotic, self-satisfied, arrogant pigs.
Can anyone tell me ANY REDEEMING FACTORS that GERMANS HAVE?
I am leaving in 6 DAYS (thank god) and in the 2 MONTHS I have been here I have not seen any. The people in this country as far as I can see are: rude, greedy, selfish, racist, stupid, incompetent and the only pleasure they derive in their sad little lives is putting foreigners down --- the companies here have got some NERVE, that they keep trying to attract foreigners into this hellhole of a country only for expats to find a very rude awakening.
I will add: ITS NOT JUST BERLIN ITS GERMANY WIDE. This entire country is a sh===hole with sh=== people.
I am going to be generous and overly simplistic here but I have exactly one (and keep in mind I have to use a lot of willpower to not absolutely despise ALL Germans):
- They do a relatively good job of taking care of the absolute lowest levels of society. Germany probably has one of the lowest levels of abject poverty in the world (people living on less than €2 per day). The flip side is that even low class earners suffer from wealth distribution, a wide spread shirking of personal responsibility and overcrowded and/or overused public services (the state of German hospitals, roads, public transit as examples). Another consequence, as far as I see it, is that the more the government guarantees to people the more bitter, asocial and unfriendly individuals become. Visit a relatively poorer country and you'll see real community and emotional support in candid situations. In Germany people feel that this too should be performed only by an expert. Families here even seem to be extremely cold and distant.
"They do a relatively good job of taking care of the absolute lowest levels of society. Germany probably has one of the lowest levels of abject poverty in the world (people living on less than €2 per day). "
- yes by taxing foreigners and their own.
" keep in mind I have to use a lot of willpower to not absolutely despise ALL Germans" - I dont have this willpower anymore, they are absolute c**ts but I admire yours. Anyway I am leaving in a few days so I wont have have to put up with this crap any longer.
Needed some dough and did an odd job for a "start-up" (a.k.a pretentious ramshackle factory). Helped out at a company event on Saturday one hour away from my place at short notice, did a good job, everybody was happy. Been almost 4 weeks, no money yet. They said it would take 2-3 weeks. Asked why there was nothing on my account. They ignored my text. Never work for a startup. Or at least be careful.
I've never seen a "flat hierarchy" in Germany. in fact, power and authority is concentrated at the top so much that all of the companies I've personally seen from the inside don't let middle/lower management (if those tiers even exist) make any decisions at all. Even trivial stuff like marketing spend had to be approved beforehand when within the appropriated budget! At least that explains why every single job here requires three years of training: Companies have such granular contingencies that a robot would be better suited than a person. That's why everyone here is bad at their job. I used to hear about how strong unions are here and how companies fear German workers councils but in all I think fewer than 30% are represented by either and the number is dwindling every year. Being from a country with lax employment laws I was still shocked to learn that German employment contracts pretty much always include a clause that days any overtime necessary is required but voluntary. What a joke of a country.
Oh yeah, gotta make the mandatory statement about German startups that are still startups after 20 years.
OP here. After four weeks and half a dozen text messages/phone calls (most of them being ignored), it looks like I MIGHT get paid SOON. After a very friendly conversation with the (German) secretary of the startup agency (not joking here! She seemed genuinely understanding and helpful), they told me they'd issue the payment immediately, so it would be there today. That was yesterday around noon. Nothing on my account yet, but hope springs eternal, right?
What a joke.
For everyone who does odd jobs here, be prepared to work double: not just doing the job you were hired for, but also getting it, making arrangements, changing same arrangements at sb. else's whim and then running after your hard-earned cash. Better get a real job or win the lottery.
Moved out of Berlin after 10 years and finally feel like I’m living among human beings again. This city is an illusion of a metropolis, when in reality it’s a just bunch of small villages, filled with the worst German people and plenty of wannabe-hipsters from all around the world.
I came for the culture and music, but the whole nightlife is so cocaine-fueled that it is simply unbearable. No one seems to have fun, it’s all about posing and judging, such a shame. Back in the 90ies Berlin was quite cool indeed, but now that image is sold out to the highest bidder until there is no substance left. Where exactly is the culture supposed to evolve to at this point? I’m pretty sure people will wake up to that fact soon and realize that they spent millions on flats in a Soviet shithole. Berlin will never enter the realm of places like London or Paris.
I praise the heavens I left this place
You only about 10 years with parole for murder, and you had a choice to leave this prison. But no judjment, I understand how it sucks one back into it over and over. It really does send people insane. I first came to Berlin as a positive, optimistic, intuitive, friendly, generous and helpful person, and by the time I left, I was a total mess, but I'm now almost back to my real self again.
" I moved to a smaller German city. I was born here, so the idea is to enjoy the last good years of this county until the Muslim invasion will trigger the next war." -- so you are NOT really winning OP. If you stay in Germany - the entire country is sh== NOT just Berlin. That is a FACT.
Locals (here and throughout Germany) who brag about how educated they are. Most of them would struggle to change a light bulb.
Yeah well people here are warned that if they don't hire electricians to attach the two wires of a light fixture that they'll be liable for any damages (that won't occur ever). The ovens here don't have regular plugs and people are told they could die if they try to hook them up themselves. They want to compartmentalize all knowledge and skill so much that people can't do anything outside of their narrowly defined domains. And it's working.
There was an interview in Zeit Campus (student-centric magazine published by that dreadful rag Zeit - I could write a thesis on why that newspaper is terrible but here's but one example: a few years ago they published a cover story with the title "This is a penis" with an accompanying picture and an article in which the (female) editor complained she "rarely" encountered penises in her daily life (what the hell?).) Anyway, there was an interview in the magazine with a custodian at a student housing complex somewhere in west Germany. He complained about students calling him when they needed lightbulbs replaced and a ton or other pathetic heights of incompetence.
I went to university here for a while. One amazingly sad thing I saw was that they had to post signs in the men's bathroom informing people not to throw tissues into the urinals and, despite this, several urinals would routinely be clogged. Just one of many examples I could give.
Comrades, I’m glad to inform you that after a couple of painful years in this shitehole, I’m getting out! I could go on and on about what a vicious country this is, but some posters above did it already and to be honest, I’m tired sick of talking about this place.
I’m in a very lucky position (for which I worked very hard) to pick between two offers from US and UK. Needless to say, either is decades ahead of this sink.
My advice to y’all: get out as soon as possible. Life’s to short to waste in here.
Club kids rent trucks with diesel generators, park them in the middle of the Climate protest rally last Friday, and fill the air with noxious fumes so that we can all enjoy techno music. I approach one then another of them in an effort to get them to see that they are actually part of the problem we are protesting against, but each of them sheepishly smile and tell me they agree it's terrible but there's nothing they can do. I guess Berliners need their boosh-boosh-boosh more than they need fresh air. Couldn't even get people in the crowd, who were becoming sickened by the fumes to confront those responsible. So with my 9 year old child I watched the smoke rise for a bit, then left, instructing those we passed who were on their way to the protest to find it by following the smell of diesel fumes. My faith in humanity has never been lower.
The attack on diesel and conventional power generation is the problem. We've been conditioned to believe that it's all bad and that we're going to boil over in ten years. I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad. It's part of a plot to destroy civilisation. The protesters wouldn't know science if it hit them over the head. It's a waste of time to even talk to them.