Don't get me wrong...I have lived and hated Berlin and would not move back because it's not "cheap" anymore, it's actually pretty expensive BUT having just spent time (unfortunately) in Bulgaria and being in Berlin for 1 day I can say it's the 2nd worst city I have ever been to. Sofia in Bulgaria is the worst !! But Berlin is the western version: nothing works , it's filthy and not as cheap as it pretends, however if you are stuck in Berlin and want to feel better, go visit Bulgaria and come back to Berlin, it will be a temporary high, because Berlin also has ALOT of problems but it's only second worst compared to that hellhole Bulgaria
You've said this before, but in my experience, Bulgarians I've met outside of Bulgaria, are some of the nicest people I've ever met, in fact they inspired me to want to go there, which I will do soon, because your criticisms are making w=me want to see this strange anomaly for myself.
I hate Berlin for a number of reasons, but the main reasons are these:
1.
The people! Fu**cking leftists, artists and people with strange clothes.
2.
The traffic and driving a car in Berlin. The Berliners can't drive and the traffic is pretty bad. Especially the bikers who are super aggressive and think they own the streets. Also too many Muslims and niggers.
3.
It's a truly ugly and filthy city!
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Too many tourists.
Berlin simply sucks!
It's not fist driving! Fishing license? Answer a thousand questions about fish - no need to have ever held a rod! Coastal speed boat license? Done in the spree at speeds never exceeding those of a 5hp engine! Want to be a hairdresser? Must have a license, estate agent, must have a license, develop financial software for major companies - no license required- it's all very odd here!
To the jerk-off who called the original poster a horrible little cunnt, let me ask you this, how do you think Muslims or Africans would like white Germans coming to their countries and start selling drugs to their young people on street corners, you stupid fuucking moron, they would have their heads chopped off in an instant, you are so stupid, I can only guess you are a moronic Berlin-Lefty, you're the one who is a horrible little cunnt, and I hope you get brain damage from smoking the weed they sell and salmonella laced cheap "meat" in their doners.
By the way, if you have any gay friends, they would be executed, your mother and girlfriend would be told what to wear in public, no more bikinis for them. so just thank yourself lucky that you live in the free Christian West you stupid fuucking numbskull. Your little sister would have her female genitalia mutilated by now. Wake up to yourself.
You self-righteous poseur, STFU.
Man.. just because I called someone out for saying there are "too many niggers" in Berlin, certainly doesn't mean I'm a "moronic Berlin Lefty". I hate this City for many reasons, the open drug dealing, reactionary Antifascist politics and godawful food included in this. Of course, I am totally aware of the world outside Berlin and am very glad I don't live in a country that persecutes homosexuality, women or petty drug crime, despite the place still being a grey, depressing and downright filthy hovel. Do you not understand though that it is possible to be black/brown/whatever and actually come from a country that doesn't persecute people in the way you have described? Jesus christ. This new breed of right-wing trolls are almost as sensitive, reactionary and blinded by their ideology as the "self righteous poseurs" of the other side.
As said to your mate, seek help you horrible little cunt.
Kisses x
P
Oh, so everyone who doesn't go along with your LEFT narrative is a right-wing troll :o)))) Typical of a hypocritical-horrible-little-fascist cunnt. You are a lefty through and through, and rightly you should be ashamed and try to hide it :o))) How much is the Nazi sympathiser George Soros paying you to troll here?
Mate... you are genuinely insane. "My left narrative" - how the hell did you get that from my 2 posts? If calling someone out for claiming their are "too many niggers" in a city is fascist leftism then call me Karl Marx.
Not everyone who doesn't agree with me is a right-wing troll, no but those who are right wing trolls are right wing trolls. Funny also that you should mention that, it seems you have a habit of calling everyone who doesn't agree with you a left wing fascist. Do you not see the inconsistencies in your argument`?
Sadly, Mr Soros is not paying enough at the moment, meaning I still have to continue working in poorly organized and inevitably failing Berlin tech companies for an absolute pittance. One day I hope I will be recognised by the Nazi sympathiser for the great work I do thus funding a beautiful exit from this soulless hellhole.
Seek help you horrible little cunt.
Kisses x
"Also too many Muslims and niggers."
Hey P,
Berlin is goofed-up because of honky scumbags like you--actually, they sorta make up the majority. Disgusting stinking german motherfuckers who blow Hitler in their wet dreams. We need ovens for your kind you sack of shite.
Muslims and African Americans belong in their filthy chaotic countries where they can fight with each other because of their stupid 1400 year old book. We don't need this disgusting culture and behaviour of theirs in Europe! Influx of these parasites only happens because of leftist scum! One day, the result of naive, leftist politicians will be civil war and economic collapse in Europe and Berlin is one of the first cities to face turmoil and hell on earth.
I guess it should be slightly more bearable here this weekend with so many morons going to Hamburg!
Does anyone here know of any person who flourished in Berlin? Like they were happy, had a good job and/or found a good relationship etc? I feel like everyone in Berlin is just coasting and going deeper into a downward spiral. Does anyone find true happiness in Berlin ever or does it just make everyone miserable and the worst version of themselves they can be?
Plenty of people pretend to have flourished here, because they feel so ashamed of failing in a sea of LeftTurds, they just can't work it out how they could be so successful everywhere else, but fail in a city, that is stuck in the 80's, ah ha, there's a clue for you.
Leave Berlin to the anarchists, LeftTurds and Feminists, to fend for themselves, they wouldn't last a week without handouts from real people's taxes.
Who do they think would employ them with their faces covered with tattoos and punctured with stupid metal studs and ridiculous huge lobe-rings and any other gimmick they think will draw attention to to their attention seeking lives. Sad thing is they continually recruit new impressionable kids arriving in Berlin.
I have known a lot of foreigners in Germany from different backgrounds. The students are passing through, but many of the ones from East Europe I knew decided to stay. They're all working more-or-less insignificant jobs, like most jobs in Berlin, that nonetheless pay better than they would in Poland, Romania, Hungary and Ukraine. I can kind of understand these people because those places are economic nightmares.
But I have also met a lot of older people who had at some point earlier in their lives had semi-successful careers. I once interviewed a 40+ former radio host from Chicago for a customer service job at a Berlin "start-up". It was depressing for me, a 22 year old at the time. Later I met people who came here from Silicon Valley to work at information engineers at "start-ups" only to grow frustrated at either quit emotionally after a year or two or, the stronger ones, head back home after a few months.
I have only really met one person here who really seemed to love the city. He has a kind of naivety in him that reminds me of children under 10. I've gone out with him a few times and have witnessed random people in the city treating him very badly, I'm guessing because of his strong accent and positive aura. But he still acts like Berlin is the greatest city ever and to say otherwise would be sacrilege. Despite having a good degree from a decent school in America, he has remained stuck in receptionist jobs the entire time I've known him.
I'm from Romania, I had a relative ok paid job (for Berlin) in a design studio but I really didn't see any progress for myself year after year (socially as well). Then my doctor suggested after I asked him for antidepressants, that it's time for me to leave the city asap, and that I wasn't the only one in this situation.
hamburg or munich ? need to move out of berlin and thinking of these two possible options.
I have been told Leipzig is a great place. This is from a friend who lived there for two years, moved to Berlin to work with us. After two months, she is struggling, but she knows where I live and at least we have each other for support.
Work like a robot - no fun aloud, no creativity, afterwards enjoy the so called brainless" feierabend", the time of the day dedicated to some feel good moments drowned in beer.
I moved away about a year ago. In that year I think 1 person has been rude to me - in Berlin it felt like almost everday. Even physical aggression. A mad person on the street grabbed me in a neck-lock. A guy pushed me with my bike onto a table in Simon-Dach-Strasse on a v busy night. A woman screamed at me in Neukölln because I did not give her money and started talking crazy shit. Another fat lout drinking beer shouted at me from a Späti for no good reason.
I had a crazy guy violently shout at me tonight as I alighted from a tram. I just nonchalantly strolled past him as if he didn't exist. He soon stopped screaming. He was just trying to provoke a response. If you treat them like they don't exist, it confuses their alcohol-addled "brains", and makes them question their own existence, that's enough to slow anyone down.
Having left 1 year ago I returned for a visit of 9 days and actually had a great time. However, today I had to call the Finanzamt and the humourlessness and unremitting unfriendliness of people at the tax office served as a reminder of the negative things about Berlin.
that happened to me on occasion too... I would be slogging through my week or month or year with hate and rudeness on all sides and then one day a lady at a ticket counter or a bus driver would smile, maybe joke with me and maybe even ask how I was and I would be like... hmmm, maybe there is a ray of sunshine here, maybe I am not the crazy one... it would lift my spirits and make me reassess my views of Berlin but inevitably the sun would fade and the depression return... it is a tease, a sad joke perpetrated by the locals I think... they must get cards like jury duty summons... something along the lines of.. "it is your civic duty to be nice and even friendly to a foreigner this week in order to keep them here spending their money and let them think that we want them here."
Don't fall for the lie
Are there any decent parts of Berlin? Places you could raise a family without fearing your wife and kids wills be sexually assaulted when they leave the apartment? I have actually never really seen any event here I would consider wholesome. Do upstanding and moral values have any place in Berlin?
But of course.Right wing thugs dont have tattooes ,piercings ,smoke cigarettes and take poop loads of narcotics.They also graduate to bouncing at clubs and bars and support large scale drug laundering money through these venues. So proud you should be of your little hitler youth.
I am "Left Wing" and I guess a bit of a pervert. However I respect those around me who wish to live in the manner in which they choose. I am Hetero and single though I have married once and fallen in love a good deal many times. If a woman wants to have an adult relationship with me that is her choice.I sometimes think people from the "Right" are afraid of everything.Including freedom of choice.And that is what scares me about Germany.NO FREE THOUGHT. P.S. I work and pay taxes so go fornicate yourself.
You go F your-self. If you are an anarchist and think that people should be allowed to do anything they want with no laws, go and set up your own commune and see how long it will last. I'll give it one week, before you start making rules to keep the LeftTurd thugs under control. F you and F all your Lefty F-wit pseudo anarchist friends, living off state money. The only violence I've ever witnessed in Berlin was perpetrated by aggressive, Lefty, brain-dead thugs.
Such a stupid question, I don' know why I even bother to answer it, Because like all self-righteous guilt ridden fascist lefties, you can't admit that your so called "Alternative" tribes are Left inspired and have nothing to do with conservative values, of work, commitment, sincerity and family .
You think all people who don't agree with your "liberal" pathetic, childish lifestyles are to be shut up by taunts of calling them White Priders, yet you will march with Gay Priders. So what the F are you saying, on one hand it's wrong to be proud of your culture, and on the other hand, because it;'s trendy, you say it's wonderful that gays are proud of their culture, even if they lead selfish, degenerate lifestyles.
Berlin Lefties are a bunch of phoneys and sheep. If you want to find sexism in Berlin, just have a conversation with a lefty Marxist Feminist and witness the putrid male-hating, misandist sewage that spews forth from her mouth.
And that's the reason most people hate Berlin.
Was considering moving to Berlin until I found this website. Is the city really that bad? Or is everyone just exaggerating?
Well, I saw that colleges are free in Germany and did some research, then saw they even have some degrees completely in English. Seems better to pay just the cost of living plus $1000 per year in school fees rather than ten times that in the US. Anyone know if the schools are any good and how Americans are treated in Berlin?
College in Germany won't be free for non-EU foreigners starting this year. I think the fees will be above 1000 euros for a semester, which is still better than an American university.
And yes, Berlin is a shithole. There is no money, and no normal people. Stay away, if you are a decent human being.
Well, is the education offered in Germany even decent? Are German degrees recognized elsewhere? Would I actually learn anything or are German schools just diploma mills? With costs at less than $1,500 per semester I cannot really imagine much quality or innovation being possible.
Even for all-english programs at püublic Universities the reqirements are some sufficiently German language skills. English programs at private universities are rather 3500 Euro per semester, almost $ 4000 without accomodation. And none international reputation.
If you think you are the smartes guy on earth, just discovered that the German universities are cheap and there could be a chance for living in a cool city and getting a decent education for a bargain, than your are right in Berlin. You
will be feel good with all the stupid international hipsters, who had the same plan and finally strand in Berlin.
This forum is over the top. Probably a few of the same people posting repeatedly, especially the one(s) that sound like they're members of the NPD/NDP or bored Trump supporters that found their way here. That said, it also overhyped elsewhere. It has many issues and if you read between the lines even in places where people are more positive, you will see some things repeatedly mentioned. 1. The unemployment is too high. This is not an issue if you have a job but is if you plan on looking for one after arriving. You may also get a bit annoyed that so many people seem to be on permanent vacation if you do have a full time job. 2. Weather sucks 8 months of the year, especially winter. Lately it's also been flooding pretty bad in the summer. 3. A lot of cold and rude people. The locals take pride in it and the hipsters think it makes them cooler. It's generally harder to befriend Germans. 4. Harder to advance in companies if you're not a German citizen, especially if you're not fluent in German. German isn't that easy to learn. 5. Some areas are really ugly. This may be appealing if you're coming from a nice suburb or clean city and are young and feeling rebellious, but I think most quickly grow out of thinking it's cool and then you realize how crappy it looks compared to much nicer looking German cities and other European capitals. 6. Cost of living keeps going up, while the economy is still weak and wages and salaries are low. Though it's still not as bad as other major capital cities. The city is pretty spread out and if you're very open to where you live, you can find some good deals still. The problem is, do you want to live an hour from where most young international people are living? Finding an apartment in Kreuzberg or Neukölln is much more difficult. 7. If you're from a smaller city and used to feeling special for being into cool music and art, you're going to feel like a tiny drop in the ocean in Berlin. Don't expect a welcoming party and tons of cool people immediately befriending you. It's pretty cliche at this point.
That said, every city has its own list of issues. You're still young, so you can make the most out of it and see other cities around Europe, maybe you'll find one you like better and move there if you can find a company that will hire you. Maybe you'll be one of those who loves Berlin despite the above issues and stay for much longer (if you can find a company that will hire you after finishing university).
If you find dirty, tattooed and pierced faced, fascist lefty alcoholics and drug addicts, interesting, definitely come here, you'll love it, until you end up in a lunatic asylum.
It's a braindead, unquestioning Clinton supporter, extreme lefty paradise. By the way, they stink, unless you catch them on their monthly bath day, when it's their turn to use the bathroom in their wonderful rat infested squat.
Oh, and if you come with your girlfriend or wife, within about three to six months, she'll be suggesting you have an open relationship, because of some crazy Tantric Yoga guru brainwashing her with f'ed up lefty values. If you are a sincere person, with moderate or conservative values, stay away. By the way, anyone telling you that there are extreme right-wingers in Berlin, are actually talking about extreme fascist lefties.
don't listen to the guy who hates on the far left. They won't threaten you. If they decide to do a protest, just move your nice car out of their way becasue they do like their molotov cocktails.
My advice is to come to berlin in winter for a week or two to test the waters. It's extra misrable here in winter.
It's a dirty and overcrowded city with high unemployment and poverty. If you have programming or IT skills, you can get a decent job but it won't be easy.
I would consider trying finding educational programs in the south. There is more industry down there but apartments are more expensive especially in munich.
Again, the far left is not a huge problem in everyday life. The unemployment, coldness, rudeness, isolation, filth, and poverty are bigger problems here.
Just be prepared to be paying high taxes to fund the Lefty "anarchist" life-style :o))))
If you like aggressive Lefties who go around throwing molotov cocktails at people's cars who have actually worked for a living, then you will love Berlin. If you like to look at alcoholic and drug addict Lefties smelling up the subways with pisss and shitt-stained pants, because no one will employ them, than welcome to this wonderful "Liberal" city. Let's see how long you last, before you start doubting your sanity..
By the way, if you are a male, you'd better be ready to be shamed for your gender by sexist, bigoted FEMINISTS. F the left and everything it stands for, go Moderate Right, where the real people are, not the Left full of Peter Pans who will never grow up. Enter at your peril.
Replying to the dude/dudette at the top, here.
I agree with your level headed assessment - and especially with your comment (and the comments of many others) who have pointed out that the alt right and NDP are clearly using this anonymous forum in force, just like they do with 4Chain. I mean c'mon, on EVERY FREAKIN POST someone replies with a nearly-identical, badly spelled, mis-punctuated rant against "Anarchist leftist scum rapist Zionist n*gger drug dealers" and etc. These posts are so similar in form and content that I am 1000% certain they are the work of one very motivated, or very well paid, troll who doesn't does not even live here.
However, you are maybe gilding the lily too much. I've been here years and each year the city has become more desperate and hostile. The first two years here, I never saw violence, now I witness it almost daily... in the past week I was personally shoved twice by pissy German women about my age, just because I broke their beloved rule that you can stand anywhere you like on the escalator, even if a million people are trying to get past you. For the record in both cases I said Entschuldigung nicely and carefully slipped past, and then was shoved. This year is the WORST. I fully expect there to be rioting here in the near future if this sort of hostility goes on.
Why all the hostility? Well, it ain't the fault of refugees or dealers, both of whom have had a noticeably less visible presence in the past year or so, due to a general retraction of the city's former liberal stance on immigration and drugs. What I do think is a huge, but mundane and unsensational problem, is the lack - and decline - of good jobs with long term prospects (more people are being hired these days but the contracts are increasingly temporary and minimum wage; I cannot remember the last time a friend found a good permanent contract job being advertised, let alone was able to get it). Two, the rents are skyrocketing, even in the properties that have always been rent controlled by housing associations. This is just making everyone feel ripped off and disgruntled and being that Berlin was never a friendly place to begin with, it's now unfriendly on steroids.
When the attack at Breitscheidplatz happened last year I actually wasn't surprised, because tensions have been very clearly rising here for about the past 1-2 years. I was apalled but not suprised. That tells you a lot about what the atmosphere here is like right now and I don't think there is any need to sugar coat it to people who are thinking of coming here. They'll just end up hating the place that much more.
I cannot wait to leave but also cannot afford to, so if you do move here, HAVE SAVINGS for a return ticket. You'll probably need it before long, even if you're happy for a few months.
Why no free speech in Germany?
Because it is:
-an occupied country that got a constitution forced onto them after they got their butts ravaged in the last war.
-a country full of conformists who don't really care about anything other than working, beer and football.
-a nation of robots. And since robots don't have any real opinions, they don't really need free speech.
German here. Germans are the most afraid of getting called Nazi, as they have been brainwashed into believing that Hitler was the devil himself. As such it's extremely easy to pass anti free speech laws under the guise of fighting neo nazis, hate speech etc. and there won't be any pushback.
Hey guys, ex-berliner here. Visiting HELL now and this place is even worse than Berlin. Also I breathe through my mouth.
Hey guys, ex-berliner here. Visiting SOFIA, BULGARIA now and this place is even worse than Berlin. Full of con artists, ugly and filthy... Berlin is heaven in comparison. NEVER thought I would say this.
Hey guys, ex-berliner here. Visiting Aleppo now and this place is even worse than Berlin.