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I just wanted to break the BerlinHater site and blow your mind and saying that Berlin is amazing and love every single part of the city. BOOM!
OP, you must be on of those sad losers from some of those sad and ugly and shiitty small villages from Germany who never saw a ubahn in your life and now you think OMG Berlin is so cool and urban. Look at this ma, this is called a ubahn. And the junkie with the needle in the arm is sooo Berlin pa, lets go into one of those hipster stinky bars that are sooo cool and let's drink a beer.
Things I notice working in here as a foreigner.
No matter how good you are, no matter how right you are, no matter how poop and useless another German colleague is, you will never win an argument or make your point fair to your employer.
They dislike it when you even imply one of their kind is a stupid phuck (which mostly are). They are passively racist while promoting otherwise. You will never be above the Übermenschen even tho they are some farm animals with the IQ of a Gurke, and you might have the knowledge, experience and all.
Meritocracy is non existent.
Deutschland über alles.
Kick out all these hipsters and bums who live and work here for years and still can't speak German. 5 Guys at Alexanderplatz, are you for real? Not a single employee could speak German properly, only English. Only one of them could speak barely-competent German and I had to jump in and translate because the butt didn't understand what "Gurke" was.
How are people who don't speak English supposed to understand them? Refugees come here, they learn German and then they get excluded from many places because the hipsters working there can't understand a lick of German.
I don't speak good German I also understand what you mean.They speak English to me(Why assume I must speak English???)so fast.I understand what they are saying but I found it rude and stupid too.Typical Berlin hipsters.They are behaving like that everywhere in the world.English proud.
Germany loves the EU and globalism and schwarze Null so don't be surprised when people who don't speak German live in Germany. To do otherwise would be that other naughty N word (nationalistic). Give the United States of Europe another 8 years max to fully implode and then you can enjoy the full German experience in German again.
Berlin gives way too much protection to children. Your neighbors children can freaking run up and down and scream non-stop from 06:00 until 22:00 and there isn't a thing you can do about it if the neighbors are uncooperative. If you call the police, they just shrug their shoulders and say "kinderlärm ist kein lärm".
Hey Germany, you're welcome to come spend a weekend in my apartment and see how you like it. If you want to make your country more child-friendly, making laws that prevent us from taking any kind of action against literal psychologic terror from children is not the way to do it. I'm not going to go "hmm, another weekend where I couldn't sleep late and was forced to flee my apartment because the neighbors' kid made non-stop noise the entire day long. I love kids now."
German parents universally don't love their children. Otherwise they'd teach them to be considerate of others. In fact, everything is so compartmentalized in Germany that most parents probably think disciplining a child at all requires a 7 year degree. They pawn their kids off to the state from 6 weeks old where they remain until they're 21 years old. Pathetic robots.
I wish Berlin would kick out all the Hipsters and the entire "edgy" crowd. "Oh look at me, I cut my hair so that it looks like my hairline starts right at the top of my skull, I'm so unique." No, you're not. You're a moron.
Is Austria or the German speaking part of Switzerland just as bad, depressing and energy draining as Germany? Anyone know what the situation is in these places?
Austria is not bad. Not filthy like Germany. If you are white good for you. If you are white and from East not so good. If you are brown or black you are fucked. Wien ist a beautiful city but very boring. Switzerland has some great cities like Zürich but fuucking boring. Same for Austria.
I would recommend to visit Zürich and Wien for couple days and decide.
Just to let you know austrians and swiss people HATE Germans. Why? Because Germans hate them as well. I don't know why. Just be some wanna be arian poop
London, Amsterdam, Strasbourg ( not so much action but a sweet city, Mailand, those are some nice cuties.
But let me tell you that no matter what you decide or where you end up, it will be better than this idiot here. I promise you.
I totally agree.My daily life would be much much better and brighter when I dont have to see those hispters who smells from their unwashed hair and body,non accountable penners,everywhere drug sellers and violent Arabs.
Can we get rid of the myth of German effciency please? The only thing Germans ever did efficiently was kill 6 million jews.
I can't think of a single thing in Berlin that is efficient or convenient.
Forget the unopen airport dude, the Charité ( Hospital) rejected a child, and the child died. Newspapers are full of it.
Efficiency? Not even Germans believe that poop anymore. The only stone they have is the automobile industry and Tesla fuckedd them in the asss
To be fair, the situation at Charité is part of a much larger problem of people abusing the ER system in Germany,Berlin specifically. People go to the ER for the tiniest of ailments because they don't want to wait to go to the doctor. You have to wonder how many of their beds were filled with people who went in because they had a little bit of diarrhea or their toe hurts, etc. They should start charging a fee for frivolous ER visits.
That said, Charité Mitte is the absolute freaking worst ER in the world. Doctors that barely touch you before sending you home, doctors are rude, clearly understaffed, etc. I've been to Charité Mitte, Charité CVK, St Hedwigs and UKB on various occasions for a variety of reasons and I've been treated fairly at all except Charite Mitte. I once had searing, agonising pain in my left side any time I moved and I landed at Charite Mitte (it was a Sat and naturally all doctors are closed because Germany). The ER doc didn't even bother touching me, rudely told me I was probably having symptoms of anxiety disorder, then sent me home. Later it turned out that I had torn a stomach muscle really bad. I had an accident last year and argued with the paramedics for them to not take me to Charite Mitte.
Why is customer service so ABYSMAL?!! Why is it so hard to get anything done normally in this mediocre city? I book a hair appointment, I show up and the door is locked and they are taking a smoke break and have idea who I am. I book a physio appt, they cancel on me one hour before. I book a gym session, I waste my afternoon getting there and they are closed an hour before their sign says!!
If a business says it's open until 17:00, what it really means is that they give you dirty looks if you expect to be a customer at 15:00, and doors locked/lights off at 16:00.
When I got here fresh from the US I was SHOCKED at how many business lock up during their "open hours". Also shocked at how many businesses and professionals never return emails or phone messages.
Okay, I guess I have to send a goddam carrier pigeon to your *mailing address* and then just show up and really hope that you aren't randomly closed that day.
German bluntness is a myth. It's just plain rudeness. These fuckers are rude as fuck. And they better learn to shape up because there are few incentives beyond culture for internationals to tolerate this pooping climate for long.
Berlin is a cursed place. The people make it so. Everything that I thought was good about Germany and its people I discovered all was a fabricated myth...and I am not liberated in this realisation. Im from the Uk and went through a period prior where I thought bad of my country but Im thankful for one thing....Berlin and even Germany made me happy and proud once again to be British....once again! It made me realise there is something special in UK and its people.....and Im sure many of you feel the same about your own countries. We are a lucky few a band of brothers (excuse the term) and our optimism and resolve should never waiver to the depths of that forsaken place of Berlin and Germany as a whole.
The problem goes both ways. Germans are often blunt because foreigners are used to being babied in their own countries, so they expect it to happen here too. It simply doesn't work that way here. Germans place a lot of value on helping yourself instead of expecting everyone around you to do all of the thinking for you. This is often at odds with how businesses treat people in other first-world countries, where the customer is treated like a king, no matter how dumb they are behaving.
I can honestly count on one hand the amount of times I've thought someone was being genuinely rude in Berlin.
Above. No. They are rude, and customer is king!
I am not saying there are not imbecile customers out there, but they are horrible by default...
Expectation to be treated right when you paid from your own money a service is not a high expectation, it’s just common sense in business of any kind.
Also, Foreigners are not babied. If there is a society that is the babied, that is Germany at top. Why do you think all refugees want to come here? Because in all other foreign countries will not get as much baby-sitting and security. If you make it until Germany, then you can use the social solidarity system to take your time to get on your feet in a new country.
No disrespect to the refugees, I can understand their reasoning. It makes sense.
Strongly disagree. Customer is not king. The person behind the till is there to do a job for a poop salary, they are not paid enough to be your friend. If you think someone needs to lick your butt just because you're forking out cash to pay for stuff you want, you're part of the mentality of being babied.
I've never been treated unfairly in a shop or restaurant unless I was somehow being a jackass. Or when I didn't even attempt to speak German. They treat you much better and will happily switch to English if you at least make an attempt at German, no matter how bad your skills are.
I work at a restautant saw so many times my colleagues treay customers very rude.What are you talking about???Maybe you did not go out so much or only visited 5 or 6 stars hotel.They treat customers rude and ignore many times for their chat.They came to kitchen to pick up the food anh while having them on their hand stop there and talk abouy yhis and that for 5 minutes .dont care food get cold or whatever.But compalon when tjey have no tip.
Agree with the guy above. The default attitude of service workers here is piss poor. And I don't even want chitchat or niceties. I just want people to not deliberately be butts to me. I speak nearly perfect German, I order fast and pay immediately but somehow it's still often necessary for service people to be penises just because they can. A low salary is a poor excuse in a country where most low skilled service workers actually chose their line of work and went to trade school for 3 years to "learn" to do it.
Perhaps the guy who's saying foreigners are used to being babied could explain because I honestly don't know of any examples. I don't consider expecting a waiter to know whether a dish contains peanuts to be babying. Or expecting lab techs in German hospitals to explain things without being condescending/sarcastic. Expecting some level or respect and dignity isn't expecting to be babied.
It feels absolutely like a dream when I am outside of Germany and people in restaurants ask if I want to substitute the dies in my meal for something else. Or when strangers on the street tell me an entrance is blocked and save me from needlessly walking down stairs. Common courtesy is unheard of in Germany and it's impossible to explain to people who've never experienced it why it makes life more pleasant.
Germans love vacationing abroad because they all know Germany is a massive shitshow.
What's the scene and tech scene in Stocklohm and those areas, Nordics? Better, same or worse, though the last one seems unlinkely lol.
You can't compare Sweden to Germany? Different dimensions. If you can handle the winter, you will love Sweden. They have the highest Standard in Europe with wonderful people. Berlin is like a toilett. Sweden like a beautiful lounge.
And yes very open minded and as much as I know a good tech scene
Hi Everyone,
It's been quite a few years since I first visited BerlinHater. A big thank you to the guy who set it up, you really saved my sanity, I thought I was going crazy. You've provided a great service to the expat community.
As much as I have fond memories of using this site to vent, I am now completely over the trauma of my time in Berlin and back to my old self again in my own country. It just seems like a distant nightmare now. So I won't be visiting here anymore.
I wish for everyone here to eventually get out of Berlin and into a saner place to live.
Thanks again and best wishes to everyone.
Life is too short to spend it in Germany
Having a grey atmosphere around winter is actually something you know when you move to Berlin or London or Amsterdam. But what makes this city depressing are the architectures and the buildings. This city is similar to moscow or romania and so on.
It's just fickinng ugly.
And the germans have absolutely no taste when it comes to style. I am not talking about walking around like one of those wall street guys. I am just talking about a nice jeans with a white t shirt and some clean sneakers or boots. Oh come on. And what is wrong with german women. They look so unfuckeble ( Berlusconi voice)!
Add the behavior of germans to all of that and voila: ALEMANIA.
omg. I miss Valencia so much. I love my country so much and I never thought saying something like this before I moved to this city, but I am freaking proud beeing spanish and freaking proud not beeing german. Thank you god. Thank you so much.
And much love to you guys here who made me feel that it's not me that is insane. It's this stupid country full of nazis and poor philosophy thinking people.
Well said....You could say I lived in Berlin or been there long enough over time to see how it really is. You are spot on like everyone is here with their views and opinions as I relate to all these things. I just got back to London....Surrey the nicer part; and there are many around London....and when I flew back into British Airspace from France.....I could see the weather and moreso atmoshpere of hte weather just change and despite being winter it was so much brighter, clean and not so suppressive.....the weather might be similar but its totally different to that of central Europe as it feels more free and airy.....and the climate was mild I could go out for a bike ride and enjoy the sun on most days intermittently.....unlike Berlin which felt like a big suppression concentration camp of misery. You mention you are from Valencia and I never considered moving to Spain or at least considering a holiday home there with my wife......but since Ive been back I have considered and started looking into Valencia as I have a good friend who is married to a Spanish lady and lives in Spain. After talking to him when I was in Berlin prior telling him about the negatives.....he said; just come to Spain the people are firendly and at least the weather is good. I work remotely and can also do English teaching to top it off.....but looking ideally for a property in Valencia at the moment. It appeals to me as I keen not to be around too many expats at least not the loudish types you see in some parts....but a nice quiet respectful area and so far the journey research looks amazing:) If you have any advice Id love to hear it.....Are you planning to leave at all?
Of course guys. Valencia is just beautiful.
Of course you can hang out on the port with lots of restaurants
And here are some places I recommend:
Bluebell Coffee very nice cafe. Beautiful and warm.
El Saler Beach best place.
San Tomasso (yummie) restaurant italian
La Fabrica de Hielo live music and relaxing.
But let me tell you amy spot in Valencia is nice. Just the traffic sucks. But you will love it
@Spanish guy you are so right. Living in this country made me feel suppressed in so many ways. In the beginning I couldn't figure out what was going on and thought I was losing my mind. Then I came across this site and thought 'Thank goodness I'm not alone!'
Feels good to be out of Berlin and to not feel that weird negative (evil) energy that's the absolute norm there. I didn't believe in the importance of spirituality before moving to Berlin and meeting all the mechanistic people suffering there. As some one on this site posted a few weeks ago: it just feels like with Germans something is missing.
Happy for you and feel jealous too.I also have 3 to 4 months left.Living in Berlin was not nice at all but instead I have learned so many things too.And appreciated what I have had since I was born(not talking about material things).I will never be such a miserable human being like Berliners who lost dignity,emotions,tust,respect and empathy long long time ago or never had since they were born.